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| Author: | Kismet [ Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:54 pm ] |
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DP3 Remix Presents: Episode 0: Danny Phantom Origins Tentative Plot Outline Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public (press and backers) debut of the portal. (Darth-Frodo) Act I scene 1a: Immediate aftermath of the accident, Tucker stays with Danny while Sam goes to get help. (Kismet) Act I scene 1b: Sam tries to convince Jack and Maddie to come down to the lab. (Bluemoonalto) Act I scene 2: Jack and Maddie take the unconscious Danny up to to a makeshift "hospital" in the Ops Center and check him out. (Firefury Amahira) Act I scene 3: Danny wakes up in his own room, goes to the bathroom and discovers that he is invisible. He calls Sam and Tucker, asks them to come. (Mabaroshiwoou) Quote: Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public debut of the Fenton Ghost Portal.
Opening Credits Act I Scene i. -- Immediate aftermath of the accident, still in the lab. Act I Scene ii -- Meanwhile, upstairs, Jack and Maddie try to mollify their financial backer. Tucker or Sam come up to alert them to the accident. Act I Scene iii -- Jack and Maddie determine that Danny may have some sort of contamination, take him upstairs to the Ops Center for treatment. Act ! Scene iv -- Danny discovers that he’s invisible as he doesn’t see himself in the bathroom mirror. Act I Scene v -- Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who just read about the Portal in the morning newspaper. Apparently there have already been some minor ghost problems. Act I Scene vi -- Danny, Sam and Tucker see a ghost for the very first time. Act I Scene vii -- UNKNWON Act I Scene viii -- Jack makes a speech at the dinner table, indicating how much he wants to dissect a ghost, scaring Danny into silence. (Possible distraction of Danny struggling not to float away from the table while Jack is speaking.) COMMERCIAL BREAK Act II Scene i -- Act II Scene ii -- Act II Scene iii -- Act II Scene iv -- 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... Act II Scene v -- Parent-teacher conference (Jack and Maddie with science teacher). Danny watches the cuts on his hands heal before his eyes. Jazz eavesdrops in the hallway. Act II Scene vi -- Jack and Maddie can’t take Danny home, they have to visit their attorney about the mess with the angry neighbors and the portal. (Or something like that.) Jazz offers to take Danny home, but takes him to a psych clinic instead. They argue in the car, while Danny has intermittent invisibility problems— which ultimately get Danny stranded outside the clinic. Act II Scene vii -- While walking home, Danny calls Sam & Tucker and arranges to meet them. Then he is attacked by Dash, accidentally escapes by floating. Eventually transforms in mid-air and takes first tentative flight. Act II Scene viii -- Danny is attacked by a ghost and eventually is thrown to the ground, where he transforms back to human. Denouement: Sam and Tucker find Danny where he fell. (We need some sort of closure here.) Any other suggestions and deciding on the considerations I listed are more than welcome. If I forget anything in considerations that we haven't agreed on, let me know and I'll add them. Once we have our final decision, we can arrange it scene-by-scene, and divide the workload up. IF YOU WANT TO HELP WRITE, make sure you have submitted the required audition here: Writer Tryouts (Ignore the crazy quality of the thread -- it's an eyesore, but it happened during the migration from Invisionfree to phpBB.) Stories about DP Origins from FFN (Links provided by Kali Phantom) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789240/1/Real_Life http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2778592/1/The_Beginning http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3266576/1/ http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2797099/1/He_Was_Just_14 http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2445406/1/How_Does_It_Feel http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3014167/1/Machine_Mayhem |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I like Blue's idea, perhaps with the modifcation of Danny still winning in the end, but mostly due to the quick thinking of his friends. For this reason I think Klemper should be the main antagonist in the episode. Also, for the purpose of streamlining the process, perhaps we should decide on one of the crew here to basically be the writing director or something for Origins? Likewise for the actual Remix episodes, we can bounce ideas around and once one starts to surface as the favorite, decide then on who's "in charge" of the episode, to collect the random ideas and flesh out the outline? |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:34 am ] |
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jazz mentions "ever since the accident" danny has been acting weird. so jazz knows about the accident. But its nver said if they knew he was in the portal or not. I think at some other point it mentioned that he "blew up the lab" so maybe the trio lied and said "the accident" wasnt danny in the portal, but something a bit different. For what reasons i dont know. Im sure you guys could make one xD |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:53 am ] |
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I'm going to have to play continuity maven here: Danny said in Bitter Reunions that the ectopusses were the first ghosts he ever fought. Let's not mess with that, even by splitting hairs. There's no way that his parents didn't understand that "the accident" involved the portal. It's simple logic: the portal was inactive and Danny was fine; the portal was activated and Danny got hurt. Even though post hoc does not necessarily mean propter hoc, the correlation between the two events cannot be denied. They would have assumed that he got shocked and/or burned (let's do both!) by being careless during the power-up sequence. By the way, I think Jack's speech should be more in line with the "catch one and dissect it" attitude he and Maddie had early in the show, rather than the "hunt and destroy them all" attitude that became more prevalent later. Hey! Could we focus on Jack and Maddie? A "B" plot (oh, how I love a well-crafted story) with the Fentons struggling to convince the scientific community and/or their financial backers that they actually did it? And nobody believes them, even as the first ghosts start invading our world through that honking big hole? And Jazz is all "Hey! Mom and Dad! Your son is hurt, and all you care about is getting your results published!" This would tie in with her scornful attitude in Mystery Meat. And maybe we could bring Vlad back into the story in the 2nd act (behind the scenes, natch) where he is still trying to undermine their success. And I'm sorry, but I'm still strongly behind Danny losing that fight. Surviving, but losing. Because winning (or even managing to frighten the ghost away) would be too much "business as usual" and would diminish the enormity of what he accomplished in the pilot. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:56 am ] |
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Oooh, good idea about appointed a "writer coordinator", Fury! I'm not sure I agree about having Sam and Tucker help. They do seem pretty scared of the ectopusses in MM. However, if there's some way to work things so that Sam and Tucker aren't involved but it's still dumb luck that may/may not involve them, I'm for it. Can I weigh in despite being an editor/thinker? Vlad should just have the cameo, since if we're taking this as Episode 0, which I think we might be, we don't want to ruin the surprise of Plasmius' vendetta in BR. Continuity-wise it's a good idea too, I think, since if Vlad pops up again there's a good chance he'll know something's going on with Danny, and in BR he's surprised by the transformation and treats Danny as a normal-if-Fenton boy before then. I think Danny should get hurt enough to reinforce that ghosts are very dangerous, and enough that he hasn't been hurt that badly before, but mildly enough that the injuries sustained in later episodes are much, much worse, if that makes sense at all. Bruises, cuts, internal bleeding, concussion, cracked ribs maybe, but no major bones broken. I'm more a fan of Blue's plot. Is that the general consensus? |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:02 am ] |
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how is internal bleeding mild xD also remember, danny in MM was the first ghost that jack and maddie actually see. "HAHA GHOST KID!! iwas right, ghosts exists" |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:37 am ] |
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I meant more like massive bruising. Miswrote. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:45 pm ] |
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@ Blue: Yeah, I think Danny should lose the fight, too. I also think Blue should be the writing director, since she seems to know how to throw all of this down. But I'm not sure about involving a B plot too heavily... I'm not sure how all of this is going to work out time-wise, but for the sake of that, I'm not feeling it. @ Kali: I also think the Vlad thing should stay in the beginning, so that the revelation that Vlad Masters = Vlad Plasmius stays relatively shocking to the audience by the time Bitter Reunions comes around. And yup, seems like Blue's is the good one all around. I just wanted to stress how important I thought his parents being involved in Danny's healing process was. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:30 pm ] |
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I'm confused. I thought we were writing this as if it were a flashback episode, looking back now (knowing everything that we know) at what happened then. In which case the viewer would already know all about Vlad's identity and the source of his hatred toward Jack. But some of what you are saying is making me think that you're viewing this as a pilot episode, in which case the viewers would know nothing. I think that would be a very different approach, and not a very attractive one. We would have to "introduce" all the characters from scratch, which would take up valuable time. And the show already has a very good pilot episode. No time for a "B" plot? Bite your tongue! The key would be to find a "B" plot that would relate to, and even intertwine with the "A" plot. That's why I suggested Maddie & Jack's reaction to the success of their portal, because that ties back so well with Danny's predicament while at the same time giving them good reason to be woefully oblivious. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:55 pm ] |
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Argh, I swear I replied to this hours ago. >_> But the B plot sounds good to me if we can alot for time -- I was just onfused as to our methods of doing that, since we need to showcase so much. I don't think we should involve Vlad too heavily in the B plot, though, for the fact that I always imagined Plasmius being fairly internally efficient in his devious deeds. He doesn't poke much into others' business. Yes, it's a flashback, but I think that retaining some suspense for future episodes (since we're trying to incorporate our stuff into the canon) is good. |
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| Author: | slifertheskydragon [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:45 am ] |
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:/ I don't think Vlad should be a reason for Danny's ability-gaining "go-ghost" He;s not even introduced until later right, and even then he found out that danny was the 2nd to become a halfa through a portal from deduction, not because he was a cause... or am I reading that wrong Danny should've just opened the portal accidentally, and when he wakes up... well... he's probably traumatized cuz his hand's disappeared or something... and other things ivolving goin ghost... There should just be generic ghosts that first come out of te portal... the ectopi should be 2 of the first, but they should alll loook beastly, non-human... like document his struggle of the first days of ghost hunting |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:54 pm ] |
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The thing is that he doesn't really have the epiphany of being a ghost hunter until Mystery Meat -- "I think I've figured out what these powers are for." Good point on Vlad's deduction v. knowledge, but that realization of his is so vaguely made that we can pull of Vlad turning the portal off. His presence later with the minor ghosts being sent -- that is where I'm iffy. The audience knows Vlad sent them, we don't need to tell them. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:57 pm ] |
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I think we were working more toward Vlad "turning off" that poorly designed switch inside the portal as an effort to sabotage Jack's greatest achievement. (If one were being generous, one could even say that he was trying to prevent another person from being infected with ecto-acne and gaining ghost powers.) Hearing about the successful launch of the Fenton Portal after the fact, Vlad might assume that Jack or Maddie disconnected the power, saw that the switch inside the tunnel had been turned off, and just turned it back on again. Turn the power on again (remember how we saw Jack plug in the power cable in the credits?) and poof! The portal works. "Ah well," says Vlad. "At least I tried." He would never suspect (until he met Danny) that somebody would be so stupid as to go inside the portal and fool around with the controls with the power cables still connected. But of course, that's what happens when you let the kids play in the secret undergound lab. Hence, Vlad didn't deliberately create another half-ghost-- but if he hadn't interfered, the Portal would have started up properly the first time, with everybody safe and sound on the outside. No accident, no ghost powers. The problem with this scenario, something that has been nagging at the back of my mind for a while now, is... why would Vlad do such a half-assed job of sabotage? I mean, if it's something so simple that Danny could fix it just by accidentally touching the wall in the right spot, what's to stop Jack and Maddie (well, Maddie) from diagnosing and fixing the problem in a matter of minutes? If Vlad really wanted to sabotage the project, he should have done some serious but invisible damage in the portal's inner workings. I'm going to propose an alternate teaser. I know this is like going back and reinventing the wheel, but I do believe that several valid points have been raised about "What did Vlad know and when did he know it?" Darkness. Voices, garbled at first but gradually becoming clear. It's Sam and Tucker, desperately urging Danny to wake up. They are frantic with concern. Is he okay? What happened? What should we do? Gradually, there is light. Everything is blurry. We can see their faces, hovering over us. We are in Danny's POV. His vision slowly comes into focus. He's on the floor of the lab, looking up at his friends. He groans and tried to sit up. "He's alive! Danny, what happened to you?" Danny looks down at his hands, which are transparent. The POV swings around so we can see his face as he cries out in fear! Kind of cliche, I know, but hopefully the viewer would assume that this is the aftermath of a battle, and not recognize that it is a flashback until the very end. |
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| Author: | slifertheskydragon [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:07 am ] |
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I still don't like the idea of Vlad being an "indirect cause" of Danny's origins... I do see how the idea of "ghost hunting" didn't come until mystery meat... in the intro didn't danny just push an "on" button? Maybe in the beginning after danny gets his powers, he's attacked by rather than seeks after escaped ghosts like the ectopi while in human form, or rather when he least expects it and wonders why he's become a target for the ghosts. :/ I remeber him also saying that the ectopi were two of the first ghosts he faught... so i think that he's had the idea of becoming a superhero building up and establishing itself at the end |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:08 am ] |
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I'm actually kinda tickled by the thought of Vlad being the indirect cause of the halfa that eventually becomes the ruination of all his plans and schemes. I think it's very fitting in the end, especially when taken in perspective with his attitude in the canonic season 3. Now for this project that doesn't really mean much and I don't know if Vlad necessarily went off the handle in Steve Marmel's notes as he did in say Phantom Planet, but there should be a final confrontation with Vlad regardless and that would add another intriguing layer to their already interesting relationship. Plus, it has that whole Oedipus feel to it, where you inadvertently create the thing that will be your downfall despite your efforts otherwise. True it's not exactly Oedipus, but it's close enough. But it's a literary device used successfully many times: Rowling uses it wonderfully in the HP series for one example. I know there are many more but my brain's not functioning too well tonight so forgive my off-beat allusions. Now, I don't think it would be something that would ever come into play later in the series, since Danny and the other members of Team Phantom never know about the attempted sabotage and I don't think Vlad would ever allow himself to connect the dots. He may have subconsciously, but I think it might be one of those things that he refuses to admit that he knows. I'm seeing this as something that's more dramatic irony, where the audience knows it and not the characters, just to add another level of intrigue. Or we can have Vlad realize it later, if it fits in with whatever plot the new season 3 remix has, whatever works, but just based on Vlad's actions in the canonic seasons, I don't think he would have quite realized that he was the birth of his own undoing yet. That would be a much better revelation for the final confrontation. Also, to go way way back (since I'm a slacker and haven't responded in a long time >.>) there needs to be something between Danny and his parents that gets him to realize that he doesn't want to tell him. I think something like that is very important to set up because whatever fear Danny has in telling them has to have a strong base if it's to last so strong for so long in the series. I think it has to be more than just their desire to dissect a ghost, but something else. Maybe they actually manage to capture a measly week one in the beginning (it wouldn't be too unrealistic considering Maddie's proficiency and they do need to get their functioning knowledge from something) and Danny sees what they do to it without a care. That would surely be traumatizing. Or, not to promote my own ideas by any means, but when I wrote my origin fanfic I used what I thought was a pretty powerful and frightening dream sequence as well as a discussion with his parents that isn't necessarily comforting. Those mostly focused on the sleepy Maddie admitting that ghosts aren't the same as they were alive and that they weren't the same people, that they had been twisted and warped by becoming a ghost and were now evil and corrupt. Then I had Danny realize that if they ever found out they would believe the same of him and would attack him, whether he was their son or not, because he believed they wouldn't necessarily see them as their son or not. I thought, and maybe I'm wrong, that this was a suitably powerful enough fear and realization for Danny to keep it a secret, especially with all the other things going on. This doesn't necessarily have to be what happens, but it's just an example of the kind of mindset that Danny should be in to make such a decision that he remains particularly staunch about for the rest of the series. Just a few thoughts *shrug* I could be totally off the mark, but I blame it on psychology and the entire extra-large pixie stick I consumed...@_@ |
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| Author: | slifertheskydragon [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:13 pm ] |
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WASNT SAM THE ESTABLISHED "REASON" DANNY GOT HIS POWERS? As seen in "memory blank" Let's leave vlad out please... i think it should be like Danny's parents built it but couldn't figure out how to turn it on (they either forgot they installed the on/off switch or forgot where they installed it. I think this is Jack's fault.) |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:53 pm ] |
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well i kinda like the vlad thing, it adds a new twist that i havent see in an origin story before. I think it kinda fits with valeries eventual discovery of vlad being evil. He also "created" her. It also fits with danni because he literally created her. Its kinda of recurring theme. I think vlad being part of the reason for dannys ghost half kinda fits in a strange way. also for why vlad turned the portal off instead of destroying it. Perhaps it was an ego thing. Maybe he was just finishing his portal, and he wanted to be the first with a working ghost portal. Seems very season one vlad. Not ploting to rule the world, just plotting to be better then jack in some way |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:09 am ] |
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slifertheskydragon @ Thu 03 Jan, 15:13 wrote: WASNT SAM THE ESTABLISHED "REASON" DANNY GOT HIS POWERS?
As seen in "memory blank" Let's leave vlad out please... i think it should be like Danny's parents built it but couldn't figure out how to turn it on (they either forgot they installed the on/off switch or forgot where they installed it. I think this is Jack's fault.) I totally hear what you're saying about Sam being canonically the cause of Danny's powers, but with this Vlad version she'd still be the cause. She was still, after all, the one that urged Danny to go into the portal. The only interaction Vlad would have would be by sabotaging the portal to make it possible for Danny to go inside, but without Sam's urging he still never would have gone into it. So Vlad's a factor, but he's still not the direct cause. That honor still resides with Sam, regardless of whether Vlad sabotaged the portal or not. Another thing I really don't fancy for about the whole 'Jack is incompetent and doesn't install a switch right' is really an insult to Jack. I know he appears to be clueless and stupid, but I have always been an advocate that there is more behind his seemingly oblivious attitude than people credit him with. Besides, to be able to build something like the portal or just any of the other ghost inventions (Fenton Ecto-Skeleton anyone? A genius Vlad couldn't even replicate) he'd have to have an expert knack at engineering, and absent-minded or not but I think he'd know how to install a switch. And I think both him and Maddie would check something like that before activating it. As for how it happens, I think it makes more sense for Vlad to flip the switch off just before they're about to start the portal, after they did their final checks. It doesn't undermine Jack and Maddie's genius and explains why they wouldn't necessarily notice his sabotage until it's too late. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:38 am ] |
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Vlad did not sabotage the portal to make a halfa, he only did it to damage Jack's self esteem. It inadvertantly leads to the chain of events that eventually make Phantom. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:21 am ] |
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So...here's a good question. How do we make actual, official decisions about what we want to have in the episode, especially regarding items of controversy like this Vlad sabotaging the portal idea. Do we elect a head writer/project manager for the episode and, after listening to all the ideas and hearing both sides, makes an executive decision regarding what really happens or do we set up a poll and have majority rule? |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:09 am ] |
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I think we may want to elect an executive writer for the episode, and let them piece together a working timeline from the ideas going around ^^; |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:39 am ] |
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you know if we went with an original character for one of the ghosts that attacks Danny and he loses, could always use the ghost weasel.. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:19 pm ] |
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Goku-San, your comments inspires me to think of a technicality to get us around the canonical statement that the ectopusses were the first ghosts he ever fought. That is, this first encounter could be one in which he doesn't fight. He's scared, he doesn't know what to do, he doesn't have any control and so it never occurs to him to actually fight back. That way, the ecto-puss fight in Mystery Meat would be a radical change for him: the ghosts are tormenting his friends, and he deliberately transforms and takes action for the first time. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:19 pm ] |
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Firefury Amahira @ Fri 04 Jan, 02:09 wrote: I think we may want to elect an executive writer for the episode, and let them piece together a working timeline from the ideas going around ^^;
I'm pretty sure I suggested Blue in the original thread... any objections? Now, I'm pretty sure that other than minor details, we have the plot structure worked out. We could begin dividing it up into individual scenes and allowing people/groups of people to work on them now, and if some ideas are change, we can go back and edit them. That's how it works in the industry, anyway, scripts getting changed, things getting taken out... |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:33 pm ] |
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Quote: I'm pretty sure I suggested Blue in the original thread... any objections?
Uh.... [raises hand tentatively] Not so much an objection as a condition. IF you guys want me to be "head writer" for this episode, at some point it's going to have to stop being a democracy. I'd always welcome suggestions, but I'd have to have the power to say, "Good idea, but it won't work. Sorry." And then (preferably) not have people get all mad at me for being such a controlling bitch. And of course, the same would go for anybody who gets stuck with that role. It's not going to be an easy job, I tell you! On a related note, I had a new thought about the motive for Vlad's half-assed attempt at sabotage. If you believe the opening credits, Danny was the only person in the lab with Mom & Dad when they tried to start up the portal. But then, if you believe the credits, Danny immediately put on the jumpsuit and went exploring-- which we know isn't true, because of the events in Memory Blank. Sooo.... What if Danny wan't the only visitor in the lab when the Portal start-up went kaflooey? What if there were a handful of media types and maybe a financial backer or two in the room as well? Then Vlad's minor act of sabotage would make more sense: not only did he temporarily frustrate Jack's project, but he publicly humiliated him as well. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:50 pm ] |
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Ooh...I like. That seems much more Vlad, to humiliate them in public. That could definitely lead to the later belief that Jack and Maddie are incompetent in the realm of ghost research if this was a publicized failure. I also agree that the head writer on the project should get the final say, no ifs ands or buts. That's what the head writer's job is after all, to make the executive decisions that work best for the plot of the script and the show overall. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:53 pm ] |
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Well, Blue seems to know what she's doing, but if anyone else has any suggestions for it... & as long as we're able to include all of that in the beginning scene I don't see an issue with it =3 |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:43 pm ] |
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It's amazing how much information you can squeeze into a few seconds of screen time if you're willing to abbreviate and let the visual images fill in the blanks. For example, all it would take to communicate the presence of the media types would be a camerman, a sound tech and a couple of people with microphones and/or notebooks. Add a pompous ass in an expensive suit and a single line of dialogue ("This had better work, Fenton, or we're cutting off your funding!") and you've established the presence of the financial backer. It might take a writer half a page to describe it all, but on the screen it could be done in a matter of seconds. I've actually thought about the time limits while working on the Livin' Larger episode rewrite project. We shouldn't have to "count" descriptions, blocking, body language or introspection against the 22 minute time limit. (Is it 22 minutes? Or did I just pull that number out of my left ear?) Only establishing shots, dialogue and action require any significant passage of time. And if we run over... so what? Is the network going to cancel us? Cut our pay? (Half of zero is... zero.) |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:40 pm ] |
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Bluemoonalto @ 04 Jan 2008 09:33 am wrote: Quote: I'm pretty sure I suggested Blue in the original thread... any objections?
On a related note, I had a new thought about the motive for Vlad's half-assed attempt at sabotage. If you believe the opening credits, Danny was the only person in the lab with Mom & Dad when they tried to start up the portal. But then, if you believe the credits, Danny immediately put on the jumpsuit and went exploring-- which we know isn't true, because of the events in Memory Blank. Sooo.... What if Danny wan't the only visitor in the lab when the Portal start-up went kaflooey? What if there were a handful of media types and maybe a financial backer or two in the room as well? Then Vlad's minor act of sabotage would make more sense: not only did he temporarily frustrate Jack's project, but he publicly humiliated him as well. blue, thats brilliant! so very vlad. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:18 pm ] |
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Sounds like a plan- and we established from the word go that people who participate will be subject to criticism and editing and adjustments to their contributions. I've no problem with Blue being executive writer for our Remix Episode 0 here And ooh, if there was media and stuff present, that could set things up for Jack and Maddie's big blitz to get the working portal publicized after such a major failure! |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:51 pm ] |
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I'm sold on both ideas, and I think that it's only fair that Bluemoonalto be the executive writer for this one, especially after all her contributions and ideas to this episode. |
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| Author: | slifertheskydragon [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:11 am ] |
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wait- so are we making a script for an animated thing, or a comic series? |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:42 am ] |
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Well, we're working under the imaginary situation that this would be an actual episode. The artists' main jobs are to create storyboards -- I guess you could call it comics -- for the script. If we get enough participation we might animate certain things. I know Feri suggested such a thing, and more than enough people would be willing to provide voices. Our current priority is script. So, Blue, looks like your condition is met. If we can just outline the scenes we need to work on now, we can begin the writing stage -- it's solid enough to where we can begin and flexible enough to change when the consensus (or Blue) thinks it needs to be. (In case you can't tell, I am SO ready to start working!) |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:03 am ] |
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Okay, pending an objection to my overlordship (BWAHAHAHAHA!) I’ll try to keep the ball rolling. Here’s a bare-bones outline; now it’s time to fill in some scenes. None of this is written in stone yet, but we can’t start writing scenes until we have a list of scenes that need to be written. Specifics, folks, we need specifics. Each scene should be a short sequence of events, preferably with some variations in setting or combinations of characters. Give a one or two sentence summary and an approximate placement within the outline (such as “middle of act I”). Remember that our central conflict is Danny vs. his new powers, with Danny’s secret vs. his family members as a secondary conflict. Optional “B” plot is Jack & Maddie vs. their financial backers. I would prefer (as I have said elsewhere) to avoid repeating the frequent intangibility problems that were so common in the early season 1 episodes. If possible, let’s find ways to use invisibility and/or transformations instead. Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public debut of the Fenton Ghost Portal. Opening Credits Act I, Scene 1 – Immediate aftermath of the accident, still in the lab. Scene 2 Scene 3 Scene 4 Scene 5 Scenes 6, 7, 8 (if necessary) Cliffhanger: Jack makes a speech at the dinner table, indicating how much he wants to dissect a ghost, scaring Danny into silence. (Possible distraction of Danny struggling not to float away from the table while Jack is speaking.) Commercial Break Act II, Scene 1 Scene 2 Scene 3 Scene 4 Scene 5 Scenes 6, 7, 8 (if necessary) Climax: A ghost attacks, leaving Danny wounded and terrified. Denouement: |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:22 pm ] |
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so how many "episodes" are we doing. Is this a season 0, or just an episode 0? I just noticed something. Throughout all this disscussion and debating we forgot something. What are tucker and sam doing throughout all this. We know sam made danny go int he portal, but thats really all we have her doing. And tucker...poor tucker i dont hink has even been mentioned. (gasp we are doing what the real writers do, ignoring tucker) I think some of the focus needs to fall on them. Or maybe if were doing multiple episodes, have this one be danny and family centered, and the next one be danny and friends centered. back to this episode ,we really dont know what sam and tucker did, after the accident. we know what they were doing before. Ive seen some stories say that tucker and sam freaked and ran away. Ive also seen some say that they stayed calm, while danny freaked. I think it should be combo of both, sam, tucker and danny all freaking out, but sam and tucker sticking around anyway. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:15 pm ] |
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This is just an episode 0 to understand the method and the skills we're going to need when Marmel finally -- hopefully -- delivers. And Sam & Tucker, even in Mystery Meat, were really more like bystanders, watching and trying to be supportive with Danny's powers. Team Phantom's not really developed yet, so they're more or less friends trying to hold his hand as his life is completely jolted. & Yeah, My Brother's Keeper confirms that family knew about accident, so I'm fairly sure the immediate aftermath of the accident involved more family than it did friends. And what you suggested is pretty spot on, Imperfect, they need to be worried but level-headed. Some stories have them running away freaked out and just ditching Danny?! That is SO not right... |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:34 pm ] |
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Seriously. Sam and Tucker would never ditch him like that. That's the beauty of their friendship and what makes them so endearing. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:39 am ] |
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Could be a combination of freaking out and being supportive. How long should Danny be unconscious after getting zapped? If he's out for more than a few seconds, I suspect his friends would have done what any good friend should do after a potentially harmful incident- go get the parents. If he's out for just a few seconds, he could get their attention before they call for help. Here's my idea for that scene: Danny's out for a few seconds, long enough to send Tucker or Sam upstairs to fetch Jack and Maddie. Danny comes to briefly, has a spaz about his appearance, transforms back in front of whichever of his friends didn't run upstairs, and passes out again. Then when the other Fentons get down there, they only see their son unconscious and not as a ghost. Then for whatever reason, Sam and Tucker don't tell the entire story about what happened: After all, Danny's appearance went back to normal, so maybe it was just a temporary thing, right? |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:52 am ] |
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And they also don't want tog et their butts in trouble! But once the Fentons find out that the portal is working and Danny was inside it, I see their spazzy scientists selves coming out. They fret over him for any possible injuries or ghost contaminations, then they bring him upstairs where he wakes up to see Sam and Tucker standing over him, worried... |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:24 am ] |
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We can't bring Maddie and Jack in too quickly, because canon says Danny was in ghost form when he woke up--which means that there has to be enough time for him to be unconscious, then wake up, all before a parent comes onto the scene. I like the idea of one friend staying with him, the other going for help. Perhaps Maddie and Jack could be too busy dealing with the reporters and/or the financial backer to pay any attention to the pesky teenager right away. (Hello, B plot!) That would give us two brief scenes, maybe with some cross-cutting between them: 1. Danny and Sam (or Tucker) in the lab as he wakes up in ghost form. 2. Tucker (or Sam) tries to get Maddie & Jack's attention while they're dealing with the aftermath of the failed demonstration. Parents are too upset to pay attention to pleas for help. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:01 am ] |
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I'm liking the sound of that a lot. It makes logical sense and keeps all the characters in-character. It also gives both Tucker and Sam a little bit of time to freak out over what happened and get control before Danny wakes up so they can be there and supportive of him like they need to be. Because honestly, I don't know who wouldn't have an 'Oh my God oh my God!' moment when something like that happens to your best friend... |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Firefury Amahira @ 05 Jan 2008 04:39 pm wrote: Could be a combination of freaking out and being supportive. How long should Danny be unconscious after getting zapped? If he's out for more than a few seconds, I suspect his friends would have done what any good friend should do after a potentially harmful incident- go get the parents. If he's out for just a few seconds, he could get their attention before they call for help.
Here's my idea for that scene: Danny's out for a few seconds, long enough to send Tucker or Sam upstairs to fetch Jack and Maddie. Danny comes to briefly, has a spaz about his appearance, transforms back in front of whichever of his friends didn't run upstairs, and passes out again. Then when the other Fentons get down there, they only see their son unconscious and not as a ghost. Then for whatever reason, Sam and Tucker don't tell the entire story about what happened: After all, Danny's appearance went back to normal, so maybe it was just a temporary thing, right? ooh like that idea. and maybe have whoever stayed down there, when danny comes to, try and touch him. There we can have a intangibility moment. To show them that it wasnt just his apperance that chaged. apperance change is freaky, but not bad. Becoming intangible, way more freaky. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:15 am ] |
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Or invisible. I know it's cliche, but having him go invisible and him not realizing it... Sam/Tucker: GASPHOLYSNAP! Danny: lolwut? Quote: 1. Danny and Sam (or Tucker) in the lab as he wakes up in ghost form.
2. Tucker (or Sam) tries to get Maddie & Jack's attention while they're dealing with the aftermath of the failed demonstration. Parents are too upset to pay attention to pleas for help. Then leading into, 3. They DO pay attention (whilst Danny goes human), and come downstairs conveniently after he has phased back, leading into their shocked reaction. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:11 am ] |
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Quote: Then leading into, 3. They DO pay attention (whilst Danny goes human), and come downstairs conveniently after he has phased back, leading into their shocked reaction.
Are you from England, Kismet? The only other person I've ever known to use "whilst" was English. And when she explained the difference between "while" and "whilst" to me, I was totally floored. On a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being "total recovery" like we saw in Memory Blank and 10 being "start CPR," how badly is Danny hurt? Remember, there must have been some physical injury or Jazz wouldn't have called it "the accident" in My Brother's Keeper. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:14 am ] |
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Well, he's in a lot of serious pain. I mean his molecules got all rearranged, that's gotta hurt even if no visible signs of damage may be seen. Pain plus being near dangerous equipment is enough reason for a parent to be wrought with worry. I'm guessing.... 7-8 on the pain scale, 4-5 on the harm scale. And, no, I'm Texan. Big surprise there, isn't it? |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:00 am ] |
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well i do think he got hurt, but not to bad because i dont think going to the hospital was needed, or thought to be needed. Im sure doctors woulda notice his power randomly triggering themselves. like kis said more pain then damage, like a papercut (bad example) hmmm 6-7 on pain, harm...im gonna agree with kis 4-5. also, when do we thinkthe accident occured as far as school year? was it before semester or during. either way his parents, would most likey tell him to stay in bed, while they are dealing with the finaincial people. That will keep them busy while danny works on keeping his powers under control. By the time MM rolls around he seems ok on transforming and flying. Ive always thought that right after the accident he probably would randomly transform (thats how he learns it wasnt a fluke that day). And in doctors disorders, sam is shown having issues with not floating. Danny probably struggled with that too. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:58 am ] |
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I agree with Kismet's 7-8 pain scale. Take it from a molecular geneticist, it takes a lot and I mean a lot to pull apart and rearrange molecules and DNA. It would hurt. The stuff we use in my lab to do genetic manipulations is really really bad stuff and we can't even get a little drop of it on our skin. now that kind of pain, in every single molecule of your body, would be extremely painful. So yeah, no outward harm, but lots and lots of pain since it's all internalized. And I'm not so sure on whether or not Danny would necessarily have flying problems, at least not while he's human. I don't know how other people feel about this theory, but I've always believed that Danny can't fly while a human since he's just too dense. Go intangible and then fly: yes, but I don't think he can just get up and fly while a human, and there is no canonic example where he can do it in any of the episodes without first going ghost or intangible. But I think flight problems would be awesome when he's a ghost ^^ |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:38 am ] |
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...hmm could have sworn there was one where he flew as a human.....but its been a while since ive seen any. they never come on TV anymore D: your probably right though. my memory is terrible xD |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:52 am ] |
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Well if there is I'd love to stand corrected =D |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:09 am ] |
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Re: Pain scale - I actually had a nurse in an emergency room ask me to rate my pain on a scale from 1 to 10 where 10 was "being mauled by a tiger." I was slightly shocky at the time, but even so, that struck me as an enormously stupid question, never having been mauled by a tiger for comparison, having a slightly higher than average threshold/tolerance and so was aware just how subjective a judgment like that is, and in any case not feeling the true extent of it due to the shock. So I proceeded to tell her so. The nurse was decidedly unamused. (thinking about it later, I decided it hurt more than my broken toe, but less than the hyper-extended wrist. So where does that falls on a 10 point scale?! - Yeah, I was an injury prone kid Re: ghost form/change back: If I remember the early episodes, Danny pretty much always changed back automatically if he got knocked out, took too much damage, or just expended too much energy while in ghost form (foreshadowing Dani's later problems?). So I don't think Danny would wake up, and then change back; it'd probably happen automatically. It seems odd that he'd wake up actually in ghost form; maybe he just wakes up to discover the ability? Re: Seeing more of Sam and Tucker - Oh, yes please. I personally would really like to see Sam and Tucker's involvement here in the early days. And the way they both stand by Danny, instantly jump to protect his secrets, his transformations, are willing to take the fall, etc., I've been thinking there was one specific moment where Sam and Tucker actually and deliberately made a promise, vow, whatever, out loud and everything. Maybe a spit&shake, or something to seal it. Re: flying - I don't remember seeing him fly as a human (although, I too have not watched the episodes recently), but I think I remember him jumping into the air for an improbably long hang time as he's doing the catch phrase and transformation, so maybe. Re: invisibility - Danny gets up the next morning, still groggy and not entirely awake, and makes it all the way into the bathroom to begin his morning routine on autopilot, never noticing his current state. Until ::Dun-Dun-Dun:: he catches sight of himself (or rather fails to catch sight of himself) in the mirror as he's brushing his teeth. Or maybe just part of him fades out, the way he was having partial intangibility in MM. Maybe just his head, leaving his night shirt standing there with all the mouth full of lather and toothpaste visible hanging in the air. Random other thought - I don't remember the canon well enough; is it too early to introduce the Ghost Zone? Something along the lines of: Got too close to the now active portal, puts a hand out to catch his balance (he's gotta be shaky in the immediate aftermath) and got sucked in or something? Maybe just a brief accidental foray, a quick glimpse of endless depths, strange shapes floating, and a bewildering disorienting lack of gravity? Maybe it was only his head that made it through before Sam and Tucker grab his legs to pull him back through (although that wouldn't square with the idea of the Portal as a short tunnel with one end in each reality, that facet is often ignored in the show) Really random thought, and a nod to the bathroom humor that occasionally crops up (and my own lack of maturity sometimes) - Remember Danny's first (re)attempt at an ecto blast in MB? What if he did much the same thing the first time around? Accidentally transforms while in the restroom while using a stall, or in the bathroom at home, and lets loose. Have some appropriate patsy/straight man drop a line about not going in there for a while, or asking what he had for lunch, or something. (Tangent - Hm, never thought of it before, but Danny's ghostly flatulence didn't passed right through the jumpsuit with no effect, just as his normal blasts don't affect his gloves in any way. I shall have to ponder this...) Re: Timing of the episode - The early episodes cover Danny's unique problems at school pretty well. It might be interesting to set the accident in the last few days before the school year starts. That feeling of freedom quickly slipping away, being on the brink of a whole new life/world in starting high school - that might explain why the three of them were down in the basement poking around and why Danny was thinking so fondly of exploring a whole other world (or whatever he described it in MB). Re: first mention of the accident - I thought Jazz brought it up in MM, just before she drags Danny off to school, while she's exhibiting her own emotional issues and berating their parents? And, um, yeah. That's everything I can think of at the moment. It's a cool project, a lot of good energy bouncing around here. I don't know how much help I can be, but maybe I can toss out the occasional odd idea. docarrol |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
The closest thing I can think of to flying while human was in Fanning the Flames. Just after he and Sam escaped from Lancer, Danny phased them through a wall. It wasn't very fast but they were definitely off the ground and moving through the air. I've always thought of that as "floating" rather than "flying," but it did have purposeful motion to it. My take on the scene is that Danny can move while floating intangibly in human form, but not with any particular speed. I think of Sam's buoyancy in Doctor's Disorders as a completely different "power" because she was not intangible and she couldn't control her position in space. It wasn't a matter of lack of practice; in a different scene we saw Nathan float through the hospital walls much in the same way that Danny and Sam had done in the scene I mentioned earlier. Which reminds me of Danny's apparent "hang time," as Docarrol mentioned. It happens quite a lot, but always just before or just after a transformation, but I'm pretty sure that's just a side effect of the transformation at best, or perhaps just a bit of artistic license. In my episode rewrite project I referred to it as "...the kind [of leap] he only ever made when he had no intention of coming back down again." He can also form a spectral tail in human form if he is intangible, as seen in the opening credits. That one actually gives me pause, as something must happen to his skeleton, not to mention certain vital organs. Back to the topic. I'm in favor of him being thrown out of the Portal already unconscious, waking up still in ghost form, then fainting and transforming back to human just as the parents come downstairs. We could have some discussion/argument between the Fentons and Sam & Tucker about whether he should go to the hospital or not; Jack's and Maddie's desire to check out their functioning Portal should weigh in their decision that Danny's injuries aren't bad enough to merit a trip to the emergency room. In fact, they may need to do some technobabble stuff to stabilize the Portal, since there was apparently a mysterious "contaminate" inside during start-up. So I'm in favor of serious pain, but Danny unconscious so he can't show his parents how much it hurts. That, along with their being distracted by the portal, should be enough to avoid a call to 911. The damage is mostly internal, but perhaps he can show some burns, bruises or signs of electric shock so the event will come to be known as "the accident" rather than "the day Danny fainted." Definitely want to see some conflict between Sam and Tucker about taking Danny to the hospital. Should it be Tucker in favor and Sam against (because she's usually the one who's right)? Or Sam in favor and Tucker against, because of his canonical phobia about hospitals? |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:26 pm ] |
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Well, when confronted with Ghost Acne, the Fentons seemed to set up their own personal hospital. A normal hospital at the time this takes place would probably turn away any patients accused of being in a ghost portal -- or reccommend the parents to the psychiatric ward. Maddie and Jack are the only two people who'd know anything about it, so I'm sure they'd handle it. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:36 pm ] |
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So, if Danny's injuries involve some kind of glowy-greeny effect, Maddie and Jack would immediately assume it's up to them to treat him? That could work! But no ecto-acne (darn!) because if Danny had suffered from that ailment even briefly, it surely would have been mentioned in Bitter Reunions or Masters of All Time. Edited to add: If we are willing to strain credibility, we could arrange for Danny's pediatrician to make a house call-- thus establishing that Maddie and Jack are not actually neglectful parents. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Quote: Really random thought, and a nod to the bathroom humor that occasionally crops up (and my own lack of maturity sometimes) - Remember Danny's first (re)attempt at an ecto blast in MB? What if he did much the same thing the first time around? Accidentally transforms while in the restroom while using a stall, or in the bathroom at home, and lets loose. Have some appropriate patsy/straight man drop a line about not going in there for a while, or asking what he had for lunch, or something.
(Tangent - Hm, never thought of it before, but Danny's ghostly flatulence didn't passed right through the jumpsuit with no effect, just as his normal blasts don't affect his gloves in any way. I shall have to ponder this...) thats a great idea, but danny doesnt get that power till what you want. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:03 pm ] |
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Yeah, Danny cannot have Ghost Acne because it was caused by the impurity (diet cola) in the Proto-Portal. We can't even consider using that. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
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I'm not so sure that a pediatrician making a house call would be the best idea. I mean, having a doctor come brings up a whole bunch of half-ghost anatomy questions and I don't know if we necessarily want to go there. I think Jack and Maddie would be better off dealing with it themselves, especially since they know it's related to the ghost portal and thus, from their perspective, they think they'll know more about his condition than a pediatrician. And I don't know if it's fully established in MoAT but it seems like they have some kind of medical background if they were able to treat Vlad for the ecto-acne. So unless we want to open up the can of worms of Danny's half-ghost anatomy (which I know there are a million and one different theories on) I think we should just not bother with a pediatrician. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:07 pm ] |
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Oh, if the doctor makes a house call, then one of the scenes in Act I could be the checkup- with Danny in a situation where he probably won't have Sam and Tucker to help as he tries to keep his powers secret from the doctor. If I also recall right, Lancer mentions in MM several instances of Danny dropping glassware, and thus being forbidden to handle lab equipment. Perhaps if Episode Zero goes into the school year at all, one scene could be Danny earning that particular ban? |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:57 am ] |
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Darth-Frodo, I concede that the house call could raise questions we would rather not answer, but nowhere near the kinds of questions that would come up in a hospital visit. As writers, I think we can keep the information fairly simple and neutral: blood pressure a little high (stress), pulse a little fast (ditto), temperature a little low (exposure to the energies of the ghost zone), bruises from the accident, prescribe bed rest and Tylenol. In fact, it would be an excellent opportunity for exposition as well as random ghost-power problems. And as Firefury pointed out, it's a scene--and we still need a whole bunch of those. We could incorporate the Fentons' attitude that they can provide better ecto-medical care than any mere MD by having Jazz be the one to call the doctor. She's the responsible adult in the family, right? More conflict = more drama. And maybe it would turn out that "bed rest and Tylenol" was what the parents would have done anyway. Firefury, I'm reluctant to retell stuff we already know, but if you (or somebody) can come up with a sufficiently clever spin on the beaker-breaking thing, I'll consider it. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:18 am ] |
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Perhaps playing with the contents of those beakers- something slightly volatile... maybe a bunsen burner, to add flammables to the "whoops, broken glass!" factor? An incident that nearly catches part of the school on fire would certainly justify being banned from handling the lab stuff =p |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:59 am ] |
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Okay, you've sold me. I'll pencil that scene in about halfway through the second act, pending other scenes being proposed. Checking the transcript, I see that Lancer read it this way from Danny's file: "Thirty-four dropped beakers in the last month, banned for life from handling all fragile school property, but no severe mischief before today." So nix on the fire, unless Danny is clearly blameless for that--or it would have been in his file along with the beakers. Could we set it up that all thirty-four beakers got broken in the same massive chain-reaction disaster? Because that would be SO COOL. And it would fly in the face of the natural assumption that Danny just let 34 different beakers drop through his intangible fingers in 34 separate incidents. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:18 am ] |
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wow, it takes talent to break 34 things at once. GO DANNY!!! xD I like the idea, but how would he manage it? he didnt seem to be able to spread intangibility to other until MM. or it may have been that his first time doing it on perpose. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am ] |
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A chain reaction or a box or two full of beakers... I like the chain reaction idea. Say he's carrying boxes full of beakers into the lab area. 12 beakers to a box, 3 boxes for a total of 36 beakers. One box has been dropped off without incident, but as he's about to set the second one down, one leg goes intangible so he starts to fall over. Like anybody trying to keep their footing, he flails- dropping that box on his tangible foot. This HURTS, and breaks most of the beakers in the box. He jumps as a result, sending the second box crashing into the wall near Tucker, who's carrying the final box. The smash of glass so nearby startles him into dropping HIS box, resulting in 2 beakers surviving out of the original 36. And Danny, not wanting Tucker to get in trouble because of him, takes the blame for all three boxes. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:56 am ] |
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omg that scene sound amazing. Its both amusing and shows dannys strong friendship |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:54 am ] |
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That is an absolutely amazing idea! I think it's a lot more plausible than the whole 'separate incidents' idea, especially since I don't really think there's been too terribly much school time since the accident and MM considering that he's still having difficulties with his ghost powers and still trying to come to terms with what he is. Which brings up another question: how long is the gap between the accident and MM? I think we'd probably need to account for Danny feeling well enough to go back to school and Jack and Maddie being convinced enough that he's not radiating ecto-energy or full of ecto-contaminants or anything of the sort. And then of course there has to be enough time for him to get used to his powers to the point where he can (usually) activate them on command. But then again I don't think we can expect the ghosts to wait in the ghost zone forever. They want out and as soon as one of them finds it, they're going to start pouring out of that thing. Anyone got any ideas? I was thinking a few of days off of school to satisfy Maddie and Jack ghost paranoia (week at the most) and then maybe 1-2 weeks at school before the ghosts realize that they can leave the ghost zone and cause some mayhem, resulting in the beginning of MM (ectopuss battle) and then the subsequent battle with the Lunch Lady either that week or the following week. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:09 am ] |
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No need to speculate! From Mystery Meat: "It's been a month since the accident and I still have barely any control!" How about starting the chain reaction with Danny carrying a single beaker and dropping it, bending over to pick it up causing Mikey to trip over him while carrying two beakers, who bumps into a teacher carrying a tray with 6 beakers, and so forth.... We wouldn't even have to show all 34; we could just cut to an outside shot of the window with the sound effect of glass breaking. Followed by the first Lancer/Maddie parent-teacher conference, while Danny watches in horror/amazement as the cuts on his hands and arms heal up right before his very eyes. (And that's another scene.) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:59 am ] |
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Oh, well that makes it all the easier then =D But still, how long is he out of school, or do we not need to go into that much detail? And I love the parent/teacher conference idea! That would certainly help a lot of the Maddie/Danny interaction and if she's especially cross with him because of it (34 beakers is a lot of money) then it may also provide another reason of why he doesn't feel like he's close enough or trusting enough with his parents to tell him his secret. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:03 am ] |
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imperfect @ 06 Jan 2008 11:59 am wrote: Quote: Really random thought, and a nod to the bathroom humor that occasionally crops up <snip> thats a great idea, but danny doesnt get that power till what you want.Re: The Fentons' medical knowledge. Speaking of "What You Want", that was the same episode where both Jack and Maddie mentioned they believed colds were caused by ghosts, or negative viral ghost energies, and were trying to ritually purify themselves in that lodge in the lab. Which doesn't say much for they're supposed medical knowledge On the other hand that [i]was[i] the same episode where the Ghost Catcher was introduced, which we definitely know really does remove ghosts from a person (among other things). So who knows maybe they were right and they really do have medical training? Speaking of which, I'm not sure that Danny's altered state would actually show up while he's in human form, to any conventional equipment (Fenton-class ghost equipment, of course, easily and routinely detects it, were these poor electronic Cassandras believed). I guess it depends on just what changed exactly. If Danny's human form is just a disguise or a seeming over an altered biology, then yeah, that should show up. But if the ghost form and the human form just trade places, or are superimposed, co-existing in the same space (as is suggested by the events with the Ghost Catcher, since we were just talking about that), then I'd expect the normal, mundane equipment to just show the normal, mundane, human side: organs, bones, blood, and other assorted bodily fluids and squishy bits. Personally, I tend to favor the latter interpretation in my thinking; the "half-ghost" and "halfa" terms appear to be misleading. I rather think Danny and Vlad are not half anything, but both at once, or by turn. Dani...I'm not entirely certain; she seems to be more ghostly than Danny. Based on her method of origin, her tendency to dissolve into a puddle of goo, and the manner of the demise of her clone-brothers, I think she's at best a ghost with some human (rather than human with some ghost, like Danny), and may be entirely ghost, with some unusual properties. I rather suspect that Dani's not-wholly-human nature would show up if she were to be examined medically. (Tangent: Having recently read the Golden Compass trilogy, I'm reminded of the comments about the body, the spirit, and the soul, and the distinctions made between the three) Re: Ghost Acne. Well, it probably wouldn't be caused by diet cola, but I suppose it's possible that some other contaminant could have been accidentally added. However, I agree with Kismet to the extent that I think the issue should probably be skipped, since it was introduced as something new in MoAT, and dealt with pretty thoroughly there. Now a case of mild radiation poisoning, on the other hand... ~50-100REM the effects are listed as "Mild radiation sickness with headache and increased risk of infection due to disruption of immunity cells. Temporary male sterility is possible." A slightly more severe dosage would likely cause nausea and vomiting. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning ) Something that subtle might go entirely unnoticed, or ascribed to the physical shock (and a diagnosis of shock would also account for disorientation and chills, which would further help disguise Danny's possibly ghostly symptoms), or even just a bad cold or something. Treatment for the symptoms of such light doses usually included antibiotics and antiemetics to counter the symptoms - Which, come to think of it, would probably be done even if no-one suspected radiation, just based on those same symptoms. I don't know about you, and I know it's a bit grittier than the overall tone of the show, but if I got zapped by interdimentional cosmic rays or whatever, and had all these crazy physiological changes, I'd be kinda worried about radiation myself. Even if Danny didn't actually get irradiated, he, or more likely Sam the environmentalist, might be at least concerned enough about the question to do some research or try and grill the Fentons' on the possible danger. Re: The beaker chain reaction. Great idea, but as per the hallowed tenants of western cartoon slapstick humor, you need to include at least one incidence of stepping on a beaker and having it rolling out from under foot, causing Danny to slip, stagger to loose his balance. So I'm thinking he drops the box, like you said, then he goes stumbling, perhaps into a lab bench, causing it to over turn and break the beakers of several of his (there go another 6 or 8 beakers) fellow classmates earning their ire, and a promised wailing from Dash. Then maybe have the rest of the table go over like dominoes (a cartoon classic), thus breaking the balance of the beakers? Or maybe have Danny stumble into a a set of shelfs, full of beakers? Or maybe even have the beaker underfoot go shooting out to catch Mr. Lancer on the back of the head, just in time for him to turn around and watch the final conclusion to the cataclysm (I like cartoons; they're silly Although I think having Danny take the fall for Tucker is brilliant, and I'd like to see that included too. So maybe Danny's hand goes intangible, he drops his own one single beaker, which then rolls under the foot of Tucker, who then drops the box, etc. etc. ? docarrol |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:29 pm ] |
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The PRoto-Portal didn't work correctly because of the contaminent. I mean, if it did, it would have taken less than 20 years for them to make a larger one that also worked. I'm fairly certain the Fenton Portal is free of contaminents, and Ghost Acne or any other actual ailment just isn't necessary. & I'm sure that the Fentons know about radiation risks -- they were Hazmat and goggles and everything. When they locate Danny I'm pretty sure they'd check him for radiation, contamination, and everything immediately since they're rather hasty people. Where in the episode is the beaker thing going to be? Before his ghost encounter, after the commercial...? |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:55 pm ] |
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I pencilled it in halfway through Act II, but that's just for the time being. We had talked about an initial ghost encounter in the first act, a sort of "WTF was that???" moment, but nothing concrete yet. Keep in mind that Danny and his friends can see all the ghosts we want, but Jack and Maddie can't. We know from Mystery Meat that they had not yet seen a real ghost. We can make the equipment detect all sorts of stuff, and maybe have a ghost fly right past them when they're looking the other way, but they have to remain oblivious. Theoretically, that white jumpsuit should have been enough to protect Danny from whatever radiation or contamination he would have encountered outside the portal. I mean, not really, but in the cartoon world it's the same kind of jumpsuit the parents wear. So I wouldn't have Jack and Maddie too worried about radiation or contamination, because they wouldn't actually suspect Danny would do anything so stupid...? Or would they? Okay: do Sam & Tucker lie, telling the Fentons that Danny got thrown across the room just because he was standing too close to the portal when it became active? Or do they tell the truth, that he was inside the portal? I'm leaning toward the former, helping to keep the parents oblivious. If they knew the truth, they definitely would have been on him with the geiger counters and [insert technobabble here]. Also that might make Jack and Maddie feel somewhat responsible for the accident, because they left the kids alone in the lab with the portal (apparently) halfway through its start-up routine. Quote: I'd expect the normal, mundane equipment to just show the normal, mundane, human side: organs, bones, blood, and other assorted bodily fluids and squishy bits.
Can we please, please use that sentence in the episode? "...squishy bits." |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:16 pm ] |
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OHmygosh, hilarious. Totally. And I like the idea of Sam & Tucker keeping their names more-or-less clean. The Fentons can just assume that the portal had a delayed start and it was a bigger oompf than they expected it to be. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:47 am ] |
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Hmm, I think I'm going to be lazy and just give a blanket, "I like!" to everything that's been posted here so far. ^^ Not that I should really have a say, since I'm just an editor, but… Quote: Random other thought - I don't remember the canon well enough; is it too early to introduce the Ghost Zone? Something along the lines of: Got too close to the now active portal, puts a hand out to catch his balance (he's gotta be shaky in the immediate aftermath) and got sucked in or something? Maybe just a brief accidental foray, a quick glimpse of endless depths, strange shapes floating, and a bewildering disorienting lack of gravity? Maybe it was only his head that made it through before Sam and Tucker grab his legs to pull him back through (although that wouldn't square with the idea of the Portal as a short tunnel with one end in each reality, that facet is often ignored in the show)
Too early. Danny's first encounter with the Ghost Zone is in Prisoners of Love, when pretty much exactly what Docarroll described above happened, except Danny was in the Speeder at the time. Danny looked pretty shocked and freaked out even before Walker loomed out of the greenness, so I doubt he'd have been in the GZ at all before then. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:48 am ] |
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Hey, editors have a say too. Your names are going on the finished product eventually ^^ |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:32 am ] |
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i was pretty sure that Prisoners of Love is the first time and of the humans go in there (except maybe vlad). so i think we should establish a reason that jack and maddie never looked in, maybe we could have them mentioning the start of the specter speeder. |
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| Author: | KnitChick [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:47 am ] |
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Phew, I've gotten a bit behind on this discussion...but I have to say everything people have suggested so far sounds really great! I like the comic chain-reaction beaker destruction idea, that sounds like a lot of fun! I was actually thinking a bit more about this the other night, watching Doctor Who. There's an episode in the new series ("Human Nature", series three) where the Doctor uses a device to change his biology to human and while it's working, he is in horrendous pain. I was watching that bit thinking, gee, that is probably exactly how Danny was reacting in the portal as it fired up! Anyway...those are my two main thoughts for the moment...I'll ponder more later when I fight off the revision bunnies (those guys are new..and vicious |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:07 am ] |
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Bluemoonalto @ 07 Jan 2008 08:55 am wrote: Okay: do Sam & Tucker lie, telling the Fentons that Danny got thrown across the room just because he was standing too close to the portal when it became active? Explain it as an electric shock? Or maybe an air pressure differential as the portal surface effect formed (Anybody else here watch SG1?) Either one would be serious enough for parental concern, but probably not enough to justify a CT scan. Unless he had broken bones, or a concussion or something, or was found screaming and writhing in agony. Anything less than that, and yeah, parental 1stAide or that pediatrician visit would be about the most I'd expect.
Quote: I'd expect the normal, mundane equipment to just show the normal, mundane, human side: organs, bones, blood, and other assorted bodily fluids and squishy bits.
Can we please, please use that sentence in the episode? "...squishy bits." ::beams:: Sure, anyone is always free to use anything you want. ("squishy bits" heheheh) Quote: Too early. Danny's first encounter with the Ghost Zone is in Prisoners of Love, when pretty much exactly what Docarroll described above happened, except Danny was in the Speeder at the time. Danny looked pretty shocked and freaked out even before Walker loomed out of the greenness, so I doubt he'd have been in the GZ at all before then. Oooooh right. That's what I was thinking of. My memeries been playing tricks on me again Yeah, I always did think it was weird that having built the portal expressly to look at that other world, Jack and Maddie (and especially Jack) never took a peak through. Or sent a camera. Or a periscope. Or, well, anything! Jack was even fishing through the portal in "Parental Bonding"! So perhaps there was something about Danny's accident that convinced Maddie, who then badged Jack, of the need to wait and study more before making any attempt at a crossing? ::ponders the technobabble...:: Worried about destabilizing the Portal effect? but something as narrow as the fishing line would be a less risky? So then maybe the Speeder's specially resistant hull plating (certainly took fewer dents and scratches than you'd expect) was supposed to conduct the Portal energies around it somehow? But then why not a skinny fiber optic cable? (Tangent: Hey, speaking of, I wonder if the RV was the prototype testbed for the technologies later used in the construction of the Speeder? The RV did show up first in the series. Or at least "Bitter Reunions" did air before "Prisoners of Love". Actually, given that those were eps # 6 and 7, it's more likely that they were developed and built in parallel using the same tech. Well, other than the floating thing, and presumably the power source - unless the Speeder runs on unleaded? Diesel maybe?) docarrol |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:05 am ] |
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docarrol @ Tue 08 Jan, 04:07 wrote: Explain it as an electric shock? Or maybe an air pressure differential as the portal surface effect formed (Anybody else here watch SG1?) Either one would be serious enough for parental concern, but probably not enough to justify a CT scan. Unless he had broken bones, or a concussion or something, or was found screaming and writhing in agony. Anything less than that, and yeah, parental 1stAide or that pediatrician visit would be about the most I'd expect.
I think a CT scan would be a tad extreme. Okay, more than a tad. First, those things are hugely expensive (I worked in a medical imagine office) and I wouldn't use one of those unless necessary, and a portal accident where he doesn't even show a concussion doesn't warrant spending upwards of a couple thousand for a test that's going to tell you what you already know: that there was no head trauma. Also, in regards to Jack and Maddie not going in the portal, my thought was always that they didn't think it was safe enough for a normal human to enter. They don't know what kind of environment is on the other side: it could be oxygenated, it could not, it could be filled with poisonous gas, or have severe radiation inside, not to mention the severe ghost threat that comes from accosting them in their territory. Until they can run all necessary tests and come to a conclusion that it's safe enough for them to enter with the Specter Speeder, I don't think they'll be visiting it for quite awhile. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:40 pm ] |
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I'm throroughly enjoying all this discussion, and I don't want to throw a wet blanket on it! But I'd like to focus the conversation for a moment. We've got lots of wonderful theories and exciting possibilities for the eventual writers to boil down into a single story, but we still need to fill out the rest of the first act. So here are a few directions to add to the discussion: 1. Which friend stays with Danny in the lab and which one goes upstairs to get the parents? Why? 2. What is the context of Jack's proposed speech/tirade about ghosts that is to be the cliffhanger for the end of Act I? I think somebody mentioned the dinner table at some point, which is great, but what brings the subject up? 3. What other scenes can we use to pad this out? We need much more material! |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:48 pm ] |
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Hmm...those are some good thoughts. Well here are some of my opinions on them =D 1. In regards to which friend, I'm still a bit torn on which one because I have two good reasons for both and they all center around what Sam would do. Since she was the one that urged Danny into the portal she'd be the one feeling the most guilt for her situation, so I can see her being the one that wants to stay and take care of Danny to do what she can to make sure he's okay after what she figures is her mistake. Or, I can see her going up to alert the Fentons since getting help would also be a way to make up for the guilt that she feels from being the one inevitably caused the accident. I can see her doing both frankly. Another thought is that the other is going to need to be able to get the attention of the parents. Again, I can see them both able to do this since Tucker's loud an riotous enough to be able to get their attention, but Sam's forceful and strong so she can do it too. But on the flip side, I see Sam as more comforting than Tucker just by the fact that she's a woman so she might work better by Danny, but then again it's kinda cliche so...yeah. Really, I think we just need to determine what kind of tone we want for each of the situations. For instance, if we want to have the scene with their parents be more comical then we probably need to send Tucker just by merit that he is, by nature, a comidic, joke-around guy. But if we want it to be stronger and more emotionally charged then we probably need Sam up there. The same goes for Danny. If we want someone who'll be able to lighten the mood through jokes, we'll want Tucker, or if we want someone more comforting, we'll want Sam. So based on what I've gleaned from the descriptions of the scenes, I think it should be Sam with Danny and Tucker alerting Jack and Maddie, but that's just me. Really it'll work well either way. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:50 pm ] |
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Sorry for posting again right after, but I got send happy... 2. I don't think it'll take much to start a dinner conversation about ghosts. Jack and Maddie just had the ghost portal work, which is their ultimate goal in life that they've been working for nigh 20 years on. I don't think it'll be hard for anything to set them off. They'd probably start the conversation up between the two of them ^^ 3. I don't really have any ideas as of right now for fluffing, but as soon as I get some I'll let you know ^^ What kind of gaps do we have that need filling/ |
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| Author: | Asatira [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:08 pm ] |
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This is all sounding great. I'm looking forward to a tentative script so I can start storyboarding this. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:45 pm ] |
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1. thats really hard to choose. mostly because sam and tucker both have such complex personalities. sam would want to protect danny, take care of him. She would also want to make sure he gets help asap. she also seems to be the kinda person who thinks "if you want some thing done right, you got to do it your self" but that mind set could apply to both staying with danny, and getting the fentons. tucker would also want to protect danny, and take care of him. he with his infinite internet based knowledge might stay because he might know some stuff about electric shock. cause when you a comp geek you gotta know that when "personalizing" you stuff. ; ) that might make him stay to do what he can. he also is slighty more panicy then sam which might make the first thing he thinks is "OMFG NEED HELP NOW!!" and he would run to get help. 2. maybe danny or one of the others in an attempt to confirm or deny danny being a ghost ask something like. "what are ghosts like" "what can they do" ect. which would lead into jack saying maybe that he isnt positive what they can do, that why he wants to dissect, and expirement on them. 3.hmmm maybe a danny jazz scene. jazz mentioning she worried, and that danny seems jumpy...and clumsy. insert danny intangibility accidents montage. since were doing in like an ep, i think that a montage you be perfect to get the point across that dannys powers are a Constant problem. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:22 am ] |
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I'm considering on making some concept work based on the ideas everyone has suggested so far. Even if they don't get used it will still help with the practice. Plus, some of these ideas are too good to pass up because of the mental images..XD |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:28 am ] |
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i agree. thats a good idea. the mental images of some of these make lol |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:21 am ] |
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2. That seems to work and I think it could work in really well. The only thing I wonder is if Danny would actually willingly bring up the topic of ghosts since he never talks about them and it would seem suspicious. But I think that would be a good interruption for Danny to make to his parents who are already discussing ghosts or something of the like. 3. Danny/Jazz scene!!! Why didn't I think of that!?! *headdesk* I love the sibling scenes that they had in MBK, SW, and the end of TUE. I definitely think a sibling moment would be a wonderful scene to do, especially since Jazz would be really concerned. I think it would work really well after the dinner conversation. She sees that Danny's been acting really weird after the accident and that he got really freaked by their parents' discussion of ghosts and thus tries to have a nice sibling chat to see what's wrong. I think that would make a great scene =D |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:15 am ] |
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i see a danny jazz scene sorta like this: after dinner (which sam and tucker were attending too) jazz asks if she can speak with danny privately. sam and tucker leave, because refusing would be to suspicious. danny kinda gives them the panicky oh-crap-what-do-i-do look as they leave. jazz starts talking about how she worried and dannys be through a very serious truma. Maybe he smarts off saying something like "what are you my psychaiatrist?" She has no response to him. and he escapes the room hinding some random ghost power. (perhaps he feels a transformation coming on) this conversation thus leads to her evetually psychology studies so that she can figure out whats 'wrong' with danny so that she has proof that he needs help, and the ability to help her brother. (The mention of her being a psychiatrist is because it has been mentioned, that she had wanted to be a brain surgeon. so i think some thing recent must have changed her mind. At the beggining of MM she seems to just be getting into her studies) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:43 am ] |
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Ooh, I likes the sound of that ^^ And this always confuses me: where does it say that Jazz wants to be a brain surgeon? I remember it saying in some episode that she wanted to be one but I just don't remember which episode. And is there one where she says she wants to be a psychologist or is that just inferred? I can never remember and I haven't seen the episodes for so long... |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I wouldn’t want to put Tucker into a funny misunderstanding scene just because he’s a funnier character than Sam. This isn’t an appropriate situation for jokes. In these dire circumstances, it would be “funnier” to have a deadly earnest character like Sam desperately trying to get the parents’ attention while they’re busy doing something else. There could be a lot of “Not now, Sam,” and “That’s nice, dear,” while she tries again and again to interrupt their conversation with the backer. We could even go cartoon-silly with a montage of attention-getting devices like placards, banners, or even a bullhorn. Jazz conversation = good. I’d like to do it in Act I, though. Act II would be more about a few days or a week later, when things are starting to get back to “normal.” Danny’s back in school, setting up the beaker scene. The challenge would be to integrate some sort of action or plot development into the scene, or it’s just going to end up being another conversation. Maybe it’s the day after the accident, and Jazz (acting as the responsible adult in the family) takes Danny to the emergency room to be checked out by a real doctor. She does most of the talking in the car while Danny starts panicking because his legs have gone invisible. Or maybe he goes randomly invisible while Jazz is busy watching the road, and it’s only by sheer luck that he always turns visible again just as she looks over at him. As for how he “escapes,” that’s easy. As he gets out of the car he goes completely invisible; Jazz can’t see him any more and assumes he bolted. She drives away, leaving him standing on the sidewalk outside the emergency room. And then he would have to walk home. Can we come up with something to happen during the walk home? Imperfect, I can see your point about Jazz obsessing about Danny’s odd behavior. Perhaps there can be a short scene in Act II (only a few seconds in passing) of Jazz at the school library, checking out every book she can find on the subject. Darth-Frodo, the “brain surgeon” mention was in 13; Danny urged Jazz to think like the brain surgeon she’s always wanted to be. That could be a mistake on Danny’s part; maybe he never paid much attention to what Jazz’s career ambitions are, or he didn’t really know the difference between a psychiatrist and an neurologist. Or maybe she only recently changed her mind. I don’t think she ever explicitly said she wanted to be a psychiatrist or psychologist, but the hints are there. She tends to use professional jargon and is sometimes seen reading books about the subject. In Mystery Meat she was a peer counselor, in Attack of the Killer Garage Sale she was performing a study about tutoring the untutorable, and in Reality Trip she was preparing a paper about Ghost Envy and urged Danny to “Use reverse psychology!” to defeat Freakshow. Here’s a new thought for Act II. Since the episode is going to end on a bit of a downer, how about something happy for just before the fight scene climax? Danny still has to find out that he can fly…. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:56 pm ] |
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I definitely like the idea of a happy scene before the downer, and the flying seems a logical choice for that. The trick is how does he learn he can? I don't see him taking the tried and true method of "throwing yourself at the ground and missing." Maybe Dash is after him for some reason, and he jumps to try and evade a flying tackle... and he doesn't come back down? Dash, being an idiot, looks everywhere but up, where Danny is flailing in a momentary panic before he figures out that this is pretty darn cool and he can selectively ignore gravity. Cue a short montage of Danny flying around and loving it? (Maybe a short shot later that night of Danny high up in the sky at night with the city lights all pretty below... or Danny using this new ability to take his telescope away from the city lights to enjoy some stargazing without the light pollution?) |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:31 am ] |
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as cute as those scenes sound, they dont seem to fit how he feels early on about being a ghost. Those show him enjoying having powers and being very relaxed with them. We know from the beggining of MM he does like being part ghost and wishes to be normal again. that and i dont think his powers are strong enough to keep him in flight very long. the jumping away from dash sounds like a good way for him to discover it. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:21 am ] |
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How's this for a sequence? + Due to random invisibility, Danny gets stranded somewhere. (We can negotiate the circumstances later.) + Walking home, he calls Sam or Tucker to ask them to meet him at the Nasty Burger, but is interrupted when he gets jumped by Dash. Could this day get any worse? + While trying to elude Dash, he accidentally starts floating. Once he realizes that he's out of Dash's sight, he manages to transform and makes his first tentative and not-too-graceful flight. + Just when he thinks he's safe up in the air, he gets attacked by a ghost. Apparently, this day could get worse. + Sam and Tucker show up just as he gets his butt kicked and crashes to the ground. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:23 am ] |
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Maybe instead of flying, he could not fall? Take a step out into nothing and just keep going: Like a missing man hole cover that Dash then falls through, or an step down - the curb maybe. This setups the incidental Dash abuse/karmic payback theme, and gives Danny a chance to wonder how that happened, and freak in retrospect, maybe by the time Sam and Tucker show up. Or even have them show up just in time to see the action as they're pulling up, and let them introduce to Danny what happened. Two) There's a big difference between floating and controlled flying. I could see a humorous scene where Danny gets stuck in mid air, where he can't reach a wall to push off, can't get down, and can't move under his own power. Maybe he tries swimming or something comedic and cartoony like that. Alternatively, and this is going in an other direction entirely. One of the most ubiquitous and little remarked of Danny's powers is his enhanced strength and toughness (and that is something I'm pretty sure has only ever been seen in his ghost form). It wouldn't be hard to work that in accidentally. All the standard I didn't realize my own strength schticks would work. Pull a door off it's hinges, crush someones hand when shaking it or helping them up, high-5 someone through the wall, accidentally crush something large and durable when holding it delicately, etc etc. Hey, speaking of little spoken of powers. The glowing eyes. If your eyes actually did generate their own light, it should (mostly) blind you by washing out the incoming light of whatever it is you're trying to see. [Edit - clipped a whole bunch of distracting, off topic ruminations on the subject] But it does look cool, doesn't it? [I would insert a img link to "ooh the scary eyes" if I had one. Sorry] docarrol[/url] |
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| Author: | KnitChick [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:56 am ] |
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Bluemoonalto @ Wed 09 Jan, 20:21 wrote: How's this for a sequence?
+ Due to random invisibility, Danny gets stranded somewhere. (We can negotiate the circumstances later.) + Walking home, he calls Sam or Tucker to ask them to meet him at the Nasty Burger, but is interrupted when he gets jumped by Dash. Could this day get any worse? + While trying to elude Dash, he accidentally starts floating. Once he realizes that he's out of Dash's sight, he manages to transform and makes his first tentative and not-too-graceful flight. + Just when he thinks he's safe up in the air, he gets attacked by a ghost. Apparently, this day could get worse. + Sam and Tucker show up just as he gets his butt kicked and crashes to the ground. I like this sequence! The never ending problems from every side...poor Danny! But oh so perfect for the storyline! |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:26 am ] |
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I think I prefer Docarroll's idea of Danny just not falling. It seems to fit a bit better into the plot and themes, for the story arcs of the show as well as this "episode". I like the idea of not knowing his own strength as well, think it would be fun, but I'm also starting to feel like we're cramming a heck of a lot of powers into one single story. There are only so many gags you can do before they get stale. Strength is one that can maybe get ignored, unless someone comes up with a really awesome way of getting it in there. (Healing should maybe go there too, though it'd be nice to see that mentioned as a power since canon never says it is. It's just assumed because he doesn't stay hurt long.) Also, on the topic of montages, we've had three proposed so far: intangibility accidents, getting the Fentons' attention, and flying. Of those, I think the best one would be the first. The second's going overboard on the attention idea, imo, and the third, I agree with imperfect, it doesn't really fit who Danny is at that point in the timeline. Also, like gags, montages can get a bit tiresome, and remember, we're writing this, not filming it (yet, anyway). How're we going to do a montage convincingly? Not that I'm against the idea. I like the intangiblity montage. That's just something to think about for the future. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:31 am ] |
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I agree with Kali in regards to the montages. Coming from a writer, how are we supposed to necessarily write a montage scene out without making it sound jumpy and segmented? Montages only really work because you have the same kind of music going through them and by the way in which they're presented. Since we're not doing this in script format, we can't really say 'insert montage of invisibility dilemmas'. Is the montage a way of visualizing a gloss? Like it's written as something like: "The days/weeks passed by for Danny as he discovered the powers gifted to him by his misadventure through the portal, unfortunately usually through accidents and mishaps that brought unwelcome attention with it, like crashing 34 beakers with just a slight intangibility mishap, or [insert list of accidents that occur]" Is that what we're going for in respect to writing out a montage? Also, in response to Docarrol, I understand your scientific logic in regards to eyesight and the mysteries of how it functions through invisibility and even glowing eyes, but there's one point I feel I must make: Danny's a ghost. Everything he does doesn't necessarily have to be explained by science. It's nice when it can because that makes it more believable, but in the end we really just need to remember that something like this isn't believable which is partly why it makes it so charming. Now saying that, here's a way that I've reasoned it out, taking into account some of the more fantastical aspects concerning Danny's half-ghost state. Basically it can all be explained through the ectoplasm. Now I don't know how many people agree with this theory, but I think that a ghost's powers are fueled by the ectoplasm, which is what allows them to turn invisible, intangible, etc. Thus I'm sure there's ectoplasm at work in regards to helping a ghost see through seemingly impossible glowing eyes and even invisible eyes. I know it sounds like a cure-all theory but, isn't that really what ectoplasm is? Because if you notice, all ghosts have glowing eyes and yet they can still see, so something other than the anatomical workings of the eye have to be at work, such as the ectoplasm. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:51 am ] |
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I've spoken out before against focusing on intangibility accidents in this episode, because they were so much a running gag in other early episodes that they would seem a bit cliche. So while I'm definitely on board for the 34-beaker incident, I'd rather not pad the story with stuff like tripping because his leg went through the floor, or falling through a chair, or dropping stuff. It's been done. So I'm pretty strongly against an intangibility montage. The 34-beaker incident is different, because it's an actual scene with plot development and canonical implications, moving the story forward. As for Sam's attention-getting montage I described earlier, it could be done pretty much the way Darth-Frodo described. "No matter how many different ways Sam tried to get their attention, the result was the same-- and she was a world's champion at parental attention-getting." The visuals I described were cartoonish exaggeration, so I'd leave them out of the text and just use them in the illustrations. We could ask the artists to provide a multi-panel drawing of Sam waving a sign, pointing at a huge banner hanging from the second floor balcony, talking through a bullhorn. Docarrol, if you can propose a scene that focuses on Danny's discovery that his ghostly body glows, you'd definitely have my attention. But I don't think it would be feasible to explore the effect that his glowing eyes or his invisibility have on his eyesight. Obviously, he can see, so let's not go there, okay? (Except as a very interesting topic for discussion! For example, how does the lack of visible eyelids affect the invisible person's ability to cope with bright light? If an invisible person eats something, at what point in the alimentary canal does food disappear?) Also, the manhole cover/curb idea is great in theory, but in practice I am concerned that the distance involved is not sufficient to convey the concept. If Danny is running away from Dash and fails to fall into an open manhole, would he even notice that he "floated" for that one step? For that matter, if he's running then by definition he is still subject to gravity--and would fall into the hole. I like the verticality of Firefury's idea, especially since it has the bonus of getting Danny away from Dash. However, we could incorporate a curb or an open manhole earlier in the scene, as a form of foreshadowing--don't draw attention to it, just let it happen without comment. Getting "stuck" in midair does have wonderful possibilities. He'd have to transform to get back down, right? (Short of letting gravity do the job, which could be very painful.) Could this be his first intentional transformation? And maybe it's the transformation that draws the attention of the ghost that attacks him. Kali, I suggested incorporating his healing ability either in the post-beaker scene, or in the denouement after the climactic ghost attack. Not as a matter of discussion, but just let it happen. We could also drop a hint in the first act when somebody notices how quickly Danny's bruises faded after the accident. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I quite agree that we don't want to over load the story, but I like having options up until it's time to carve stuff in stone. If intangibility was the only idea floating around (no pun intended) even if some people objected to it's cliche` nature, then the writers would really be in a fix. No matter how many ideas are proposed, I wouldn't think you'd want to focus on more than one or two of them when it comes time to actually start scripting. Unless, as was mentioned, someone can come up with a convincing montage/gloss to work in several at once. And while that works well in a visual media, I personally find it a little bit unsatisfying in a written work, especially when you're trying to convey sight gags. Quote: If Danny is running away from Dash and fails to fall into an open manhole, would he even notice that he "floated" for that one step? For that matter, if he's running then by definition he is still subject to gravity--and would fall into the hole. I was thinking he'd notice it only in retrospect, when he realizes that Dash stepped exactly where he did, and he kept going while Dash fell. Perhaps Danny had been looking over his shoulder to see how close Dash had gotten. However you could be floating at ground level, that still allows you to use your feet for forward propulsion. But yeah you could be right about that not not being enough of a distance. Um, you could change it to an open pit or trench in a construction or road work site; I could see Danny ducking into one in an attempt to loose Dash. A pit or trench could easily be two or three steps across, big enough to notice, but not so big as to constitute true controlled flight.
Yes, running is normally governed by gravity. But Danny could have been partially floating at ground level propelled by his feet, reducing his weight and making it easier to go faster. Gravity and ghosts was treated rather cavalierly throughout the show. Just look at the GZ. Or if you want to address it more explicitly, and this might be better with the stranded in mid-air scenario, perhaps Danny steps off, feels his foot dropping and instinctively reacts to stop it, and partially recovers. Leaving him to stagger and wave his arms wildly in an attempt to regain his balance until he realizes he doesn't need to. Maybe a comment on what it feels like to be standing on air. Like standing on a frictionless shifting waterbed perhaps?? Quote: Docarrol, if you can propose a scene that focuses on Danny's discovery that his ghostly body glows, you'd definitely have my attention. Maybe as the last mini-scene after the credits - Short sweet, and doesn't have to be worked into the flow of the story, no need to detail the reaction or consequences, etc. Something along the lines of:
Cut to Danny's lying down at the end of a long tiring day for some well deserved rest (maybe a comment about how he's going to have to start getting more sleep, humorously presaging he perennial inability to do such through-out the rest of the series), when he notices the night light effect? Closes his eyes, scrunches up his face, and sits up to check "Where's that light coming from?" Opens eyes sees his hand, or his body outlined under the sheets or whatever. Insert wild take. Cut, go to commercial. Better? Finally, yeah, I know I was off in left field with the eye thing. Sorry about that. Interesting to discuss, but not in this thread. I'll take it else-where. docarrol |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I think a cartoonish montage with getting the fentons attenition would ruin the seriousness off the moment. Danny just got caught in a very dangerous machine and is laying onthe ground unconcious. putting a gag in there would probably ruin the flow of the scene. its funny in my head though xD I love the idea of some powers being used and no one saying anything. Its happened before even.in MM danny walked right through a vending machine and didnt seem to notice, In bitter reunions when danny used the ecto sheild he pays it no attention and continues what he was doing. and then in beauty marked and torret of terror when he duplicated. So it deffinatly fits. as for how to write a montage is suggest some thing like: (background song name/style) (number of scenes of the montage) (perhaps a list of the scenes) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
imperfect @ Thu 10 Jan, 17:40 wrote: as for how to write a montage is suggest some thing like:
(background song name/style) (number of scenes of the montage) (perhaps a list of the scenes) Maybe I'm just getting the goal of the written portion of this project confused, but I thought it was going to be somewhat like writing a fanfic or any other piece of literature. This sounds more like it's scripted, which I didn't think was what we were going for...or are we? Because in the writer 'try-outs' we were all supposed to write out a scene from the show in prose to get a feel for it and that wasn't in script format... |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
honestly i have no idea. Im not one of the writers, im in the art part of this madness : ) I was just making a suggestion for if we are doing script. If we a re doing fanfic style well, the i kinda wonder why we were worrying about commercial break and theme song....cause ive never read a fanfic with those xD |
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| Author: | KnitChick [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:17 am ] |
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I watched Mystery Meat this afternoon at work...I tried to come here and post thoughts right away but my cellphone was being evil. A couple things I was taking note of ... ~Danny is aware of what his ghost sense is, enough to know that it means ghosts are showing up to pick a fight. ~He can transform at will, but like the intangibility it is still slightly random. Twice in the episode he transforms back when he doesn't want to. ~He knows how to use intangibility, but up to that point had yet to spread that ability to someone or something else. I think trying that was a heat-of-battle decision. I know there was more I noticed...but that was lunchtime and work went for a long time after that |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:44 am ] |
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A couple of quick notes. 1. Yes, we're doing this in prose rather than script. However, we are also conforming to an episode format, which affects the length and pace of the story. For example, there should be a cliffhanger at the halfway point, to make "viewers" eager to sit through the commercial break and not change the channel. Brevity is extremely important, and story elements should be visual--capable of being animated, if animation were an option. For example, I would veto a scene in which Danny sits alone for hours and thinks long, complicated thoughts about his predicament, because there's no way to turn that into good television. 2. Imperfect, as soon as you mentioned a background song for a montage I realized that I may have used the word incorrectly. I think maybe you were thinking of something along the lines of the romantic Danny/Paulina montage in Lucky in Love, with several extremely short vignettes set to a bouncy song. OMG, that's not at all what I had in mind for Sam and Danny's parents! I was thinking of one of those three-still picture inserts in the middle of a scene, often used to summarize part of a much longer action sequence and keep the plot moving forward quickly. And in this case, the images would instantly communicate "she tried, and tried, and tried every way she could think of, to get them to listen," without actually requiring us to devote more than a minute or so to the actual dialogue. Not meant to be funny, just an exaggerated visual punch to remind us of Sam's frustration at being ignored. But I'm not wedded to the idea. In fact, I think I should probably drop it-- and leave the actual details of the scene up to the person who writes it and the person who ultimately illustrates it. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
For what it's worth... From what I can see on the various sites giving advice to aspiring writers, as a "general guide" a half-hour episodic show would likely run 22 minutes of air time, and each page of the script covers about 30 seconds to a minute of air time, 22-32 pages (that's in script format obviously, and I think scripts are double spaced to allow space for improv on the set to be penciled in, but I have no feel for how that page number translates to a narrative structure). The scripts are divided into two "act breaks", because that's where the commercials go, regardless of the actual number of "story telling acts" (if you want to go ur-traditional, most stories, including those on TV, can be viewed as some variation of the Three Act Structure however it's broken up: Set-Up; Confrontation/Obstacle; Resolution - After all, every story always has a Beginning, Middle, and End). The act break is where the script reaches a strong dramatic moment, the pre-commercial cliff hanger. Television scripts can also be broken down further by using a Teaser and a Tag, which I believe is what is under discussion here. So a half-hour TV Script could be divided up like: Teaser / Act One / Act Two / Tag. With commercials and credits in between. And then each act tends to be between 3-5 scenes. A scene break occurs when there is a major change in the location, time, and sometimes, actions. One site suggested something like Teaser: 2-4 pages/minutes Act One: 14-15 pages/minutes Act Two: 14-15 Pages/minutes Tag: 1-2 Pages/minutes For Danny Phantom there's usually an A or main plot and a B or minor plot in each episode. The main action is happening on the heroic scale (flying around fighting the bad guys, trading witty quips) and then usually something on a more personal scale (all the other stuff that goes on that drives character development, or at least character interaction: learn a valuable life lesson, be a jerk and apologize until the next time, take the test at school, fight and make up with friends, siblings, parents, set the frogs free, etc.). Then if you actually want to start planning the story itself, as opposed to just it's structure, there's all sorts of other questions to be answered (plot, theme, logic, source of tension or the main problem to be resolved, main action, protagonists, antagonists, conclusion, foreshadowing, recurring motifs, locations, etc.) But that's common to all story telling, regardless of the format, be it TV script, play-write, or novel. Frankly though, as entertaining as this conversation is, I think that whomever is going to be doing the writing and the artwork needs to get autocratic on our collective asses and start making some of those decision. He, she, or they can certainly change their minds later, solicit ideas or opinions, set a direction for the crew here to focus their energy, or even politely tell us we're all going to be ignored henceforth. But someone really needs to start making some decisions about something as at the moment it feels like we're spinning our wheels. docarrol |
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| Author: | KnitChick [ Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:35 am ] |
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Well I think part of the decision needs to be script format versus narrative format? Do we want this to read like a great story and then maybe later we want to animate it, or do we want to write it like a script ready for production? I will have to do some hunting, but I am positive I still have my textbook from Creative Writing For Mass Media class in college. Script format is nothing new to me, in fact, most of my stories I create as little movies in my head and my fanfictions are actually more like a novelization of that little movie. So even if we wanted to go the narrative now, script later route, I'd be more than happy to adapt the narrative to a script. If we go a script now route, I can help everyone learn how to write in script format. It's fun! Um...I think I had more to say but my brain's fried...so I'm gonna go curl up with my new Doctor Who novel and visit lala land. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Knitchick, I'm going to behave like a lead writer and make my first Executive (Bitch) Decision: We are going to write this in prose. Not as a script. Most of the writers here (myself included) are not experienced at writing in script format, and quite frankly, I don't want to have to deal with all the formatting issues. That said, I do want us to have a story that is visual, which means lots of dialogue, action and blocking, not so much description and introspection. I'll defer to the artists among us to determine how the artwork will be integrated with the text, but in my mind's eye I'm seeing something like a richly illustrated book-- with the exception that some of the "illustrations" might be animated clips. Docarrol, if you review some of the previous posts in this thread you will find that I have already defined the episode's structure, the same sort of structure that the show uses. Teaser before the opening credits, one commercial break, one scene (which I have been referring as a "denouement") after the climax in lieu of a traditional "tag" scene (which would imply a second commercial break). We have a rough outline, albeit one that still has many gaps to fill in. Because the A-plot focuses on Danny learning a great deal about himself, I had proposed a B-plot about Maddie and Jack as they deal with the start-up of their Greatest Achievement. Some folks have criticized my B-plot suggestion, but I hope we can incorporate a few small scenes here and there to add texture and depth to the episode. (And I do admit that not every DP episode has a B-plot. But most of the good ones do.) We are having a lot of fun debating the small details rather than focus on the big picture. I have been reluctant to crack the whip as long as people seem to be enjoying the conversation. After all, isn't that why we're here? Okay, I have updated the outline and added a couple of ideas of my own. None of this is written in stone; we can move scenes around as new ideas come in. We still have lots of holes to fill! Quote: Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public debut of the Fenton Ghost Portal. Opening Credits Act I, Scene 1 – Immediate aftermath of the accident, still in the lab. Scene 2 Meanwhile, upstairs, Jack and Maddie try to mollify their financial backer. Tucker or Sam come up to alert them to the accident. Scene 3 Jack and Maddie determine that Danny may have some sort of contamination, take him upstairs to the Ops Center for treatment. Scene 4 Danny discovers that he’s invisible as he doesn’t see himself in the bathroom mirror. Scene 5 Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who just read about the Portal in the morning newspaper. Apparently there have already been some minor ghost problems. Scenes 6 Danny, Sam and Tucker see a ghost for the very first time. Scene 7 Scene 8: Jack makes a speech at the dinner table, indicating how much he wants to dissect a ghost, scaring Danny into silence. (Possible distraction of Danny struggling not to float away from the table while Jack is speaking.) Commercial Break Act II, Scene 1 Scene 2 Scene 3 Scene 4 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... Scene 5 Parent-teacher conference (Jack and Maddie with science teacher). Danny watches the cuts on his hands heal before his eyes. Jazz eavesdrops in the hallway. Scene 6 Jack and Maddie can’t take Danny home, they have to visit their attorney about the mess with the angry neighbors and the portal. (Or something like that.) Jazz offers to take Danny home, but takes him to a psych clinic instead. They argue in the car, while Danny has intermittent invisibility problems— which ultimately get Danny stranded outside the clinic. Scene 7 While walking home, Danny calls Sam & Tucker and arranges to meet them. Then he is attacked by Dash, accidentally escapes by floating. Eventually transforms in mid-air and takes first tentative flight. Scene 8 Danny is attacked by a ghost and eventually is thrown to the ground, where he transforms back to human. Denouement: Sam and Tucker find Danny where he fell. (We need some sort of closure here.) |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Bluemoonalto @ 12 Jan 2008 06:47 am wrote: Docarrol, if you review some of the previous posts in this thread Ah sorry. I came to the discussion late and kinda just skimmed the first couple of pages in this thread and the other (to say nothing of my swiss cheesy memory). I didn't mean any sort of criticism, but I've seen a few other well intentioned projects (some of them mine) that just fizzled after the initial burst of enthusiasm was spend in brainstorming that never went anywhere. (The Season 3 Remix idea has been in neutral since August and now Origins is just over a month old now) But having a head writer and an outline covers all that. Again apologies if I stepped on any toes.
Two: There's an outline? Sweet Oh, and fwiw I totally vote for a B plot, whether it's the thing with the backers or something else. Act I Scene 1: It occurs to me that if (as suggested early in the thread) Jack and Maddie did have investors or press or whatever down in the lab for the grand opening (so to speak) then that might account for why they left so quickly after the initial apparent failure, leaving Danny and friends there alone. They had to run some damage control; fluke accident, minor glitch, fine tuning, ready in no time, etc etc Scene 2 Speaking of financial backers, didn't Jack and Maddie tell Danny in "Garage Sale" something along the lines of "as inventors we have plenty of money"? Question to the peanut gallery: does that square with the idea financial backers? Perhaps said backers provide that money but if they're living on money invested or loaned for the business, that might be unethical or breach of contract, depending on the terms. (Of course, that attitude becomes hard to reconcile with the situation in "Living Large". Eh, Season 3, what are you going to do? ) If, on the other hand, the backers just cover lab expenses and the family was living on some other source of income... But they really don't seem to have any source of income. Later on they became famous and better respected locally, and were even called in as consultants by the school board and the city, which for most people would involve some form of remuneration. For the ghost obsessed Fentons, it's not impossible they would have agreed to do it for free. But in the beginning especially there doesn't seem to be any visible means of support for their house, the expensive lab equipment (and even if they're buying wholesale those electronic gadgets they're building wouldn't be cheap) Could be buyers instead of backers or investors? But that's really just a semantics game. Scene 3 Hopefully they hold off moving him until after they checked for spinal injuries first! But if he was awake and moving by that point, I guess it's not an issue. Scene 4 With or without his clothes going invisible? ::chuckles:: Scene 8 I think Maddie ought to have a speech or otherwise be shown in agreement with this general attitude. She's equally as vocal as Jack on occasion, and more importantly, if Danny wasn't equally as concerned about her reaction, he might have tried an end run to get help from the sympathetic parent for support against the problem parent (I think most kids and pretty much every teen has tried something like that at least once) but we know that he's always treated them as unit on this count. Commercial Break Are you actually planning on writing/illustrating the commercials? I've that done (rarely) to humorous effect. Scene 5 Science teacher? I though Casper High was a two teacher school. ::chuckles:: Seriously, have we ever seen anyone other than Mr Lancer, and the sadistic PE teacher? Oh and we saw that Asian principal once or twice. Scene 6 Jack and Maddie can’t take Danny home, they have to visit their attorney about the mess with the angry neighbors and the portal. (Or something like that.) ... This is before anyone in Amity Park recognizes the existance of ghosts - Hari Chin even got fired for presenting for filing a story about them. If the neighbors did file some kind of complaint with the cops, or initiate legal proceedings or whatever, I don't think they would have thought the problems were caused by ghosts, and if they did, the cops/attorney/whatever would have laughed them out the door. So maybe the neighbors pin the blame on troublesome teen vandalism? Harmful interference from the Fentons' weird equipment? You'd thing that broadcasting tower on the roof would generate some static at the very least. Scene 7 ...Then he is attacked by Dash, accidentally escapes by floating... I wonder what's Dash doing at the Psych center? We know that despite his tough act Dash collects teddy bears, like's sappy romance movies, and boy bands (man they like ragging on Dash) so maybe he's there to get in touch with his feminine side (in the same vein as the rest, and leading to the rest of the seemingly incongruous traits)? Or his parents want to buff up his masculine image given those other traits (and thus setting up his nominal bully-hood at in public)? Denouement: Sam and Tucker find Danny where he fell. (We need some sort of closure here.) Um, maybe a pithy line about how Danny needs to figure out his powers, and what he's going to do with them/what they're for? Paralleling his discovery/realization in MM that he's got these powers to be an anti ghost super hero - in reviewing some of the older posts I saw that recognition of purpose mentioned as an important point early in the show. That's about all the brain power I've got in me tonight. I'll think about filling in the gaps some more tomorrow. docarrol |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:52 pm ] |
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Blue, I think the outline looks wonderful ^^ I'm still trying to think of what we can do to fill in the four missing scenes... I had a brief thought for Act II, Scene 2 or 3, but I'm not really sure it's covered in scene 4 or not. But I was thinking of having Danny just arrive at school for the first day after the accident and his nerves about being there with everyone else for the first time now that he's a half-ghost. It might be a good way to incorporate and establish some of the unease that he expresses in MM at being a half-ghost and being different, since it seems like such a touchy subject throughout the series. And also, since this is episode 0, I think a Dash locker stuffing is in order. Yes, cliche, but the way I've been looking at this episode is that it's kinda the basis for everything else in this show, so a Dash locker stuffing as a 'welcome back Fenton' present would be a good thing to include. It can also show Danny using his ghost powers for the first time to his advantage by using them to get out of the locker, musing on how they're handy, but he still doesn't like them type of thing. Just a thought. Oh and docarrol, about Jack and Maddie's income, I'm pretty sure that they're ethical enough not to use sponsorship money for their own personal means. My thought on how they receive their income is just by doing regular, non-ghost inventing and patenting and selling those inventions to companies or the government. They could get some pretty good money off of that, especially with how brilliant of inventors they are. While their ghost-hunting is a favorite of theirs, I'm sure they realize that they need an income and thus do other stuff on the side. That and it's taken them 20 years to get back to ghosts and work on the portal. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Darth-Frodo: The number of missing scenes is not fixed at "four." There could be more, or fewer, depending on complexity and pacing. One of the signs of quality in episodes in the Marmel era is that there are usually many brief scenes rather than just a few long ones. (I remember being astonished and disappointed by Urban Jungle, which has essentially one continuous action sequence from the teaser to the commercial break.) But I still want more ideas, from which we can synthesize new sequences. I like the idea of beginning the second act with a "back to school" scene. I'd like it to be the first day of school, since I tend to believe that the "accident" happened in August, but I'm not wedded to that idea. If somebody can propose a compelling reason why Danny should be returning to school after missing a week or so of classes while recovering from the accident, by all means speak up! Keep in mind that if this were the first day of school, the kids would be learning how to get around in the building, they wouldn't know who Lancer is yet, etc. There could be a brief conversation in the hallway, ending with a locker-stuffing incident. But here's a twist: what if Danny can't get out? He can't control his powers yet, so maybe the unexpected, entertaining thing to do would be to leave him in there--knowing that intangibility would come in handy here, but unable to make it happen. Or maybe he can get one arm out, but not the rest. I'd like to differentiate between family income and funds with which to purchase and/or develop extremely advanced equipment. I was thinking of "backers" not in the sense of businesspeople wanting to purchase the invention, but of investors and/or grant committees who control the sources of money with which the Fentons have built the Portal and with which they intend to continue their ground-breaking work. It's like the difference between a million dollar grant with which to create the world's first artificial Ghost Portal, and a $10,000 royalty check from the company that put their last mundane invention into mass production. The million bucks doesn't put food on the table, or buy Danny a new outfit for the party. Losing the grant doesn't mean the family will starve, it just means that the thrill of scientific discovery will have to stall while they look for a new source of funding. And I don't want to get this detailed, for heavens' sake! There's a fat guy in an expensive suit, and a skinny guy in a white lab coat, and they're from the university or the agency or the think tank and they don't like what they're seeing. The viewer (reader) would understand, I think. One of the complexities in the B-plot could be the local press. Even if the larger world hasn't yet learned about the crackpot scientists in Amity Park, Jack and Maddie must have a pretty big reputation (and not a particularly good one) in their home town. After all, that garish Ops Center on their roof must be a municipal eyesore! So even if Harry Chin up in Milwaukee is oblivious, the Amity Park papers and local TV news would certainly report the freaky, dangerous events in the basement at FentonWorks. Jack and Maddie would cheerfully welcome the scrutiny and the publicity! And the news would seriously piss off the neighbors, I think, even if they never did quite see the little ghost critters that ate all the petunias overnight. So maybe Jack and Maddie don't need to talk to their lawyer. Maybe they have an interview scheduled down at the TV station-- an interview which they expect to be friendly and congratulatory, but which turns out to be a hatchet job. All this happening, of course, while Danny is getting his ass kicked by Dash and then by the ghost. Could the denouement be the kids watching the interview on TV down at the Nasty Burger? BTW, Dash is not meant to be at the Psych Clinic/Mental Health Center. He meets up with Danny as Danny is walking home, after having been stranded at the clinic by Jazz when he inadvertently went invisible. (She assumed that he had run off, even though he was standing right there on the sidewalk next to her car.) As for the two-teacher school-- you're not far off! There was a science teacher as well-- Mr. Palooka or something like that. He took a class to Axion Labs in Flirting with Disaster, and admired the anatomy of a giant ghost insect in the teaser of Doctor's Disorders. Unfortunately we can't use Lancer in the beaker incident, because he read about it in Danny's file in Mystery Meat and didn't sound like it was something he had personally experienced. Also, we can't let Lancer meet Jack before Parental Bonding. Edited to add: Remember how Jazz's monologue was laid over an action scene (Danny vs. Bertrand) in the opening scene of My Brother's Keeper? I would love to do something like that with the climactic scene here. While Danny is getting his butt kicked by a ghost, the voice-over would be Jack and Maddie being interviewed about the potential unforseen consequences of their scientific breakthrough. "No, of course it isn't dangerous! There's a ghost-proof containment door on the Portal. If any ghosts do escape, we will capture them and conduct experiments. No, we're not worried about the our children. Jazz and Danny are prefectly safe in our home. Well, okay... there was that one accident. But that was an isolated incident; nothing is more important to us than our precious children...." What do you think? |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I love that idea for the monologue overlay while Danny's getting his butt kicked. Maybe the closer could be Danny grousing about it in the aftermath, and Sam or Tucker telling him that if his parents can't fix it and it's not going away, that he may as well just try and make the most of it. Maybe point out the potential perks of Danny's emerging abilities. Tucker could probably work in a reference to that "girls locker room" still shot we're shown in Memory Blank, while Sam could suggest stuff like freeing the frogs that comes up in Splitting Images? One idea for a scene that I think could tie in to the interview is a morning shot (maybe after the commercial break and before Danny arrives at school), panning over a typical Amity Park vista (complete with "It's a nice place to live!" sign), and showing some ghost-critters gobbling up some old lady's petunias. They disappear or just go invisible when the lady checks the garden, and reappear and move on to the tulips after she turns her back and marches inside muttering about the Fentons next door and their crazy stuff. That could foreshadow the later interview bit, too. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:40 am ] |
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Definitely all for the internal monologue =D Sounds like it'll bring a lot to it ^^ And I like the idea of Danny being stuck in the locker much better. Then there's all the frustration that he knows that he should be able to get out through his new powers but can't. And it'll make the ensuing accident more frustrating as well because now he can get the powers to work whereas he couldn't when he wanted them to. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
heres a little thought that maybe can be used. Early on danny doesnt seem to know how to send his intangible energy to other things right...would this include clothing xD It been show that when part of his body goes intangible, sometimes his clothes dont. (ex his pants while talking to paulina) His legs and boxers had gone intanbible but his pants didnt. So maybe at some point he uses intagiblity and ends up missing one or more articles of clothing. (not at school cause im sure that would have been on his record) |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Firefury, I like your idea for the "back from commercial" scene with the neighbor. Maybe we can even have a short sequence of vignettes: petunia lady, a guy walking down the street with a cup of coffee, a kid on a bicycle delivering newspapers, all suffering mysterious unfortunate events. Intersperse that with the school bus taking Danny to school-- maybe he sees these events taking place while his ghost sense goes off again and again and again.... Imperfect, that's a cute idea and I'll keep it in mind. But as I said before, I would really rather avoid using random intangibility problems, since that was already done so extensively in the show. The trouser-dropping gag was so crucial to the plot of Parental Bonding that I'd really rather not use something even remotely like that here. That said, propose a specific scene that's compelling, hilarious, or crucial to the plot and I'll try to find a place for it! (As I did for the 34-beaker incident.) |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:36 pm ] |
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Wow. O.O I think that for the most of the rest of the brainstorming I won't be around. Once the outline is together and everyone else is pretty much agreed, I'll be willing to work scenes. But I just got grounded from the computer last night and I have been working on finals before then... But I looked at the outline and wow! It's really coming together! The collaboration from the beginning has been really exciting, even though I have just read through the parts I wasn't around for. As for the prose/script thing, I know it's been decided, but I do have experience with scriptwriting. I'm a lot better at prose, and writing a solid script is actually more difficult than prose because with a script, it's not easy to just divert into an omnipotent view of thoughts and feelings and subtlties in emotion. It's up to actors and directors to do that and make the decisions on how their characters would react non-verbally, or with undertones in voice, which at this point in time we haven't arranged for. I just wanted to comment on that now old discussion point. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:11 pm ] |
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Seeing as how the enthusiasm for brainstorming seems to be leveling off, I'd like to go ahead and assign writers to start writing rough drafts for Act I. Once scene per person, folks, and we are not going to do this on a first-come first-dibs basis. Give me your first choice, second choice, third choice and then I'll divvy them out. You may not get the scene you want... but I'll try very hard to give you one of your top three. This is a team effort, and there's no "I" in "You chose me to run the project." Okay? Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public (press and backers) debut of the portal. Act I scene 1a: Immediate aftermath of the accident, Tucker stays with Danny while Sam goes to get help. Act I scene 1b: Sam tries to convince Jack and Maddie to come down to the lab. Act I scene 2: Jack and Maddie take the unconscious Danny up to to a makeshift "hospital" in the Ops Center and check him out. Act I scene 3: Danny wakes up in his own room, goes to the bathroom and discovers that he is invisible. He calls Sam and Tucker, asks them to come. That's all we're going to do for the time being. Once we have rough drafts for all five, editors will put them together and harmonize them-- that is, iron out any contradictions or inconsistencies, and smooth the transitions between scenes. I'd also like to cut back and forth between 1a and 1b, which can be another project for the editors. If you decide to add something to your scene (such as the presence of another character, or a certain type of injury) mention it here so the other writers can adjust to suit. We still need a little more "meat" to fill in the rest of Act I, so don't stop brainstorming! |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:07 am ] |
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Wow. There really isn't an I in that whole phrase! & I find it rather coincidental that I announce my inactivity right when the writing assignments begin to be processed. So yes, I suggest you use the Writer's Tryouts to decide who would be best at writing what kind of scene, or what you already know of their writing abilities in making this kind of decision. (It's awesome we have that kind of reference...) 1st: Scene 1a 2nd: Scene 3 3rd: Teaser |
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| Author: | Mabaroshiwoou [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Well, I don't actually have a scene preference thus far — but I'm here and ready to write! ^.^ |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
and what should the artists work on? should we wait for the scene drafts? |
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| Author: | Asatira [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:26 am ] |
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imperfect @ 15 Jan 2008 10:01 pm wrote: and what should the artists work on? should we wait for the scene drafts?
I'm curious about this too. I signed up with the intention to storyboard, and I look forward to some of these scenes. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:24 am ] |
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Asatira @ Tue 15 Jan, 23:26 wrote: imperfect @ 15 Jan 2008 10:01 pm wrote: and what should the artists work on? should we wait for the scene drafts?
I'm curious about this too. I signed up with the intention to storyboard, and I look forward to some of these scenes. For people doing storyboards probably will do the same thing. Hand out scenes for people to storyboard. But only after the scenes are written. Most likely I'll be doing the finished illustrations..Kind of give them the "screencap" look. If Feri is still thinking about animating it there may be some animation to go with this. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:32 am ] |
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Alright, in order here are my preferences: Teaser Act I, Scene 3 Act I, Scene 1a But I'll be fine with whatever scene. I'm also fine waiting for the next Act if necessary. I'm totally flexible ^^ |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:17 am ] |
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Knitchick, Firefury, are you willing to take on a scene in this section of the story? Docarrol, do you want to write or are you happier just helping with the brainstorming? Maba, you don't want to express any preference at all? Darth-Frodo and Kismet chose the same three scenes, but in reverse order. Somehow I thought there were more of us.... |
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| Author: | Mabaroshiwoou [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:21 am ] |
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So far nothing really jumps out at me, Bluemoon-basan — now Act II might be a different story... |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Bluemoonalto @ Thu 17 Jan, 18:17 wrote: Darth-Frodo and Kismet chose the same three scenes, but in reverse order. Somehow I thought there were more of us.... I noticed that, too. And a lot of people signed up in the early stages and have been waiting, I figure that at this point it's more of a question of communication with those who have signed up. Goku-san, care to make an announcement on the dA? I don't know if you have or not, because my computer is rejecting dA for some reason... |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:19 am ] |
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There were a lot more people that signed up to be writers, but I don't know if all of them necessarily expressed interest in the DPOrigins project, sad to say. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Kismet @ Thu 17 Jan, 18:27 wrote: Bluemoonalto @ Thu 17 Jan, 18:17 wrote: Darth-Frodo and Kismet chose the same three scenes, but in reverse order. Somehow I thought there were more of us.... I noticed that, too. And a lot of people signed up in the early stages and have been waiting, I figure that at this point it's more of a question of communication with those who have signed up. Goku-san, care to make an announcement on the dA? I don't know if you have or not, because my computer is rejecting dA for some reason... I'll post a journal on the account on there and see about on my own journal. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Bluemoonalto @ 17 Jan 2008 04:17 pm wrote: Docarrol, do you want to write or are you happier just helping with the brainstorming? I am quite honored that you'd ask, however I think I'd better stick to just brainstorming. My writing just isn't up to the high standards set hereabouts (especially dialog - pesky need to sound like people).
In the mean time, a few more thoughts, expansions, and alternatives for the stuff on the outline (just say 'when')... Standard outline template wrote: Scene 4 Danny discovers that he’s invisible as he doesn’t see himself in the bathroom mirror. ::sniggers:: I still can't get the idea of him brushing his teeth while in visible - just this mass of toothpaste and suds floating in mid-air above an empty set of pajama/sleepwear. Still, it's better than working the invisibility into another round of toilet humor. Although with selective intangibility you might...No, no. On second thought, I'd much rather avoid that one too. (Eeeww. Bad brain)
Um, or we could see Danny invisible, and have someone else rush in without noticing he's there. A very awkward moment, compounded by embarrassment and the need to escape. Normally, I'd say the most likely candidate would probably be Jazz (rushing in for her morning shower if it's in the morning while Danny's brushing his teeth), on the assumption that the parents have their own master-bathroom. But since this is Nick and DP is a children's show having a mixed gender gag like that might not fly. On the other hand, they did show or strongly imply Danny peeped on the girls' locker room, so I guess it would be okay. (Did they show a rush-for-the-bathroom sibling rivalry moment on the show? Danny pounding on the door, accusing Jazz of taking too long? That sounds familiar, a classic family comedy/sitcom shtick, but I can't remember which episode or if it actually happened.) Quote: Scene 5 Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who just read about the Portal in the morning newspaper. Apparently there have already been some minor ghost problems. I'm put in mind of that quick cut sequence of short-short images from Phantom Planet with Masters' Blasters facing down those really minor, no-name ghosts in various "naughty" behaviors. Only instead of stuff like having a craps game in a back alley, the ghosts would be doing monster under the bed gag, spook the dog/cat at nothing, steal left-socks from the laundry, etc. Pranks. Maybe some minor vandalism, cracked windows, dumped garbage cans. Etc. We know it was really the ghosts, and the Fentons would assume such and assert it loudly, but the victims would be making baseless accusations on a scape goat, and the Fentons would look like such crackpots that there'd be a good chance of it sticking.
At least until the matter is looked into and the ADA or duty officer or whomever realizes just how (seemingly) baseless the initial accusations are (After all, they didn't see the ghosts doing it, or the Fentons, and could produce no reasonable method or motive, no matter how loudly the Fentons blame the ghosts. But that does help set up their initial crackpot reputation. Especially if the press gets wind of it, after the public flop of the Portal.) Anyway, thats the set up for the resolution of this particular B plot (c plot?) problem in ActII/Scene 6+: Summary dismissal of all charges. Which gets them off the hook but probably doesn't endear them to the neighbors or the neighbors' kids at Casper High. Quote: Scenes 6 Danny, Sam and Tucker see a ghost for the very first time. Well, their first after Danny Actually, I wouldn't be adverse to seeing Box Ghost in this roll, but it seemed like they were seeing him for the first time in "One of a Kind". Hm, a quick "Okay I've caught it, now what? Oh right, I should wrangle it all the way back to FentonWorks, down to the basement, and toss it back through the Portal" moment might be amusing. Although before the Thermos, that kind of disposal probably wouldn't work - whatever or whom ever Danny fought would probably just escape to weak havoc again another day. Come to think of it, this is before Danny realizes his new roll in life to guard the city from ghost attacks. So unless he's directly attacked, or sees someone about to get hurt, like Sam or Tucker, or something, he probably wouldn't think to get involved - more like hide from the freaky thing. So maybe Blue's phrasing (they see a ghost) is literal and describes the full extent of the interaction? Danny's ghost sense goes off, they collectively go WTF? quickly followed by a glowing, freaky, ghost/monster thing go running/flying past, (possibly phasing through walls or out of the ground, maybe exhibiting some other ghostly power) causing them all to duck and hide and watch it go (Maybe Danny instinctively transforms for the first time in reaction to the threat?). After all, Danny hasn't figured out his durability and strength yet, and without a direct threat, his Heroic Side wouldn't necessarily jump to the fore. Quote: Scene 7 But this otherwise unassigned Scene 7 seems like an excellent place to stick a useful learning experience. Presumably later, after they've had a chance to assimilate the experience, figure out what it means when Danny sees his breath on a warm day, and the inference from his accidental displays of powers that the accident had some lingering affect, and from there going on to egging Danny on to see what else he can do, or if he can do it on purpose.
Maybe something along the lines of See ghost, see ghost threaten bodily harm "Danny you've gotta do something!" "Me?! Why me?" "'Cause you're a ghost, too. Or half-ghost or whatever." "Just go!" Or use that in Scene 6 when they first see a ghost, or even save it for one of the climax action sequences in Act II, like in Scene 8. Although if Danny thwarts a ghost doing something else now, that would explain why Danny gets attacked and thrown around in Scene 8. ... And I'm going to call it a night there, as it's getting late here. I'll think about Act II some more later. docarrol |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I like your idea for scene 7. And maybe at the end of that scene after the ghost has left for what ever reason have some people make comments about danny, maybe the person he saved instead of being greatful for his attempt to help, screams and runs from him, or says something hurtful (ex "freak") that would further any reasons he has for keeping his identity secret. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:08 pm ] |
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In the absence of other volunteers, I'll honor Kis's and Darth-Frodo's first choices. Maba, I'm taking advantage of your affinity for slapstick. But no tickling, okay? Firefury, would you be willing to take on scene 2? Teaser: Darth-Frodo Scene 1a: Kismet Scene 1b: Bluemoonalto Scene 2: Scene 3: Mabaroshiwoou Docarrol, you're a brainstorming genius. You generate so many terrific ideas, and take things in such clever new directions. If it sounds like I'm buttering you up, that's because I'm not going to adopt very much of what you just suggested, for various reasons. Your idea for the bathroom invisibility scene are terrific. I hope the person who ultimately gets assigned to write that scene takes your ideas to heart. I wholeheartedly agree that toothbrushing would make for a wonderful visual, and the close encounter with Jazz offers the sort of juvenile, tittilating humor that the show often used. I'd also like to use Danny's invisibility in the next scene, as he runs downstairs in terror (toothpaste suds and all) to ask his parents what's going on, only to stumble on their confrontation with a neighbor. (And then he turns visible again, leading to an "uhh.... never mind" moment.) I also love your suggestions of the sorts of minor-league haunting behaviors that could take place. In fact, we could sprinkle them throughout the episode, as quick transitions between scenes. (Could the ghost under the bed be in Dash's bedroom? Please?) From your legal suggestion, I am going to take one visit from a single police officer, early in Act II. I'd rather develop the story through the media, culminating with a TV interview, rather than developing it through the courts. We're walking a fine line when it comes to Danny's first ghost encounters. Remember, he never fought a ghost until the ectopusses in Mystery Meat, and he didn't perceive his purpose in life until the end of that episode. I'm going to make an executive decision, or we could go around and around and around about this: 1. The first ghost will be the Box Ghost. He will pause long enough to yell "Beware!" at the kids, and then leave. I do not believe this contradicts the opening scene of One of a Kind. 2. Danny may see other minor ghosts in the episode, as they go about their mischief, but he will not approach or interact with them. Nor will anybody tell him that he should "do something" about them. That epiphany is unique to Mystery Meat. 3. The attack at the end will be a single ghost weasel. I was initially reluctant to endorse that particular option because I might be considered to have a strong bias-- the concept drawings of the weasels came from my fic The Foley Maneuver. But I do like the idea of it being an animal, so we can have some savage action without having to bother with dialogue or questions of motive. A larger creature (such as a bear or a wolf) could easily kill Danny if he doesn't fight back, and a smaller creature (such as a snake or a bat) couldn't do enough damage to make the scene dramatic. Updated outline: Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public debut of the Fenton Ghost Portal. Opening Credits Act I, Scene 1a – Immediate aftermath of the accident, still in the lab. Scene 1b Meanwhile, upstairs, Jack and Maddie try to mollify their financial backer. Tucker or Sam come up to alert them to the accident. Scene 2 Jack and Maddie determine that Danny may have some sort of contamination, take him upstairs to the Ops Center to be examined. Scene 3a The next morning, a neighbor just misses seeing a ghost destroy her flower garden. Scene 3b Danny discovers that he’s invisible as he doesn’t see himself in the bathroom mirror. He barely avoids being discovered by Jazz. Scene 4 Downstairs in the kitchen, Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who learned about the Portal from the morning news. In addition to the damaged garden, we learn about several other minor ghost problems. Scenes 5 Danny, Sam and Tucker see a ghost (the Box Ghost) for the very first time. He doesn’t yet make the connection between the blue breath and the arrival of the ghost. Scene 6 ??? Need something here. Scene 7 Some sort of scene involving a transformation that makes Danny resolve to ask his parents about what is happening to him at dinner that night. Scene 8 Jack makes a speech at the dinner table, indicating how much he wants to dissect a ghost, scaring Danny into silence. (Possible distraction of Danny struggling not to float away from the table while Jack is speaking.) Commercial Break Act II, Scene 1 On the way to school, Danny sees several ghosts doing minor mischief, as his ghost sense goes off again and again. Scene 2 At school, Danny brings Sam & Tucker up to speed w/ exposition, Dash stuffs Danny into a locker. Danny can’t get out. Scene 3 At home, Maddie talks to a police officer about the neighbors’ complaints while Jack fields multiple requests for interviews. Scene 4 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... Scene 5 Parent-teacher conference (Jack and Maddie with science teacher). Danny watches the cuts on his hands heal before his eyes. Jazz eavesdrops in the hallway. Scene 6 Jack and Maddie can’t take Danny home, they have to head to the TV station. Jazz offers to take Danny home, but takes him to a psych clinic instead. They argue in the car, while Danny has intermittent invisibility problems— which ultimately get Danny stranded outside the clinic. Scene 7 While walking home, Danny calls Sam & Tucker and arranges to meet them. Then he is attacked by Dash, accidentally escapes by floating. Eventually transforms in mid-air and takes first tentative flight. Scene 8a: Jack and Maddie’s TV interview. Continues as voice-over for attack scene. Scene 8b: Danny is attacked by a ghost weasel and eventually is thrown to the ground, where he transforms back to human. The weasel loses interest and flies away. Sam and Tucker find Danny where he fell. Denouement: |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:31 pm ] |
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*throws a salute in Blue's direction* I'll begin working on my piece today. Thanks very much! |
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| Author: | Mabaroshiwoou [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Bluemoonalto @ January 19th, 10:08 am wrote: Scene 3: Mabaroshiwoou
Aye, ma'am! I'll get on it ASAP. Bluemoonalto @ January 19th, 10:08 am wrote: Maba, I'm taking advantage of your affinity for slapstick.
*blinks* My what now? o.o; Bluemoonalto @ January 19th, 10:08 am wrote: But no tickling, okay?
No, ma'am. Cross my heart and hope to die in a bizarre ghost portal accident. =P |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Kis, as you're writing the part after Sam goes upstairs to get help, try to include some spots where we can intercut my scene with yours. I'll do the same. I'll finish my scene where the parents and Sam head downstairs, and somebody (Firefury?) will pick up when they arrive on the scene. That way we'll have one person (Firefury?) handling all the technobabble medical/scientific jargon stuff. Unfortunately, that also means that your scene won't so much end as it will...peter...out.... Maba, have you heard of the old Vaudeville comic who was on his deathbed? Somebody asked him, "Is it hard to die?" The comic replied, "No. Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Most fanfic writers can handle drama, melodrama, angst. Many can handle action. But bringing the funny is a rare gift. That's why I asked you to handle the bathroom scene--I hope you don't mind. [damn, I wish we had a :hug: emoticon] |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:24 pm ] |
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Alright, so, Sam is there at the beginning, but then she leaves... start leaving holes... allow to peter out. Got it. I'm fine with that, once Act II starts being handed out I'll sign up again. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:52 pm ] |
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Actually, I was wondering about what order to write this in. My own preference (when I write for myself) is to write the end of a story fairly early in the process, then gradually work my way toward the middle. I like to know exactly where I'm going. Of course, in this case we have an outline and seven pages of brainstorming to work with, so maybe folks would rather work chronologically. Changing the subject only slightly, here's a question about our as-yet unsettled upon denouement. Most DP episodes end with a lighthearted humorous scene, often in conjunction with the characters learning some sort of lesson. Often these scenes involve a slapstick moment and a jolly laugh. Sometimes that last laugh involves minor characters, such as in Secret Weapons when the last scene is Maddie beating Jack at checkers, or in Control Freaks where the last scene is Lancer locked in a closet. But coming off of the attack scene with the weasel, shall we aim at a more solemn, foreboding ending? This is pretty rare; the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Eye for an Eye. Or should we stay with the series formula and find something funny, even if it has to be a cheap laugh? I know we've talked about the final scene touching on the three kids talking about Danny's purpose or destiny, but I'd like to hear some alternative suggestions. I'd really rather avoid that particular conversation in deference to the central theme of Mystery Meat. Also, I'd rather not end the episode with dialogue only, but with something active and visual. If there is a lesson to be learned here, it's that actions have consequences, sometimes serious consequences. Maddie and Jack's decision to create a Ghost Portal has consequences for their lives and for their community; Danny's decision to give in to Sam's urging and fool around somewhere that he shouldn't has the consequence of making him a freak and a target for danger. Can we use that? How? |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm ] |
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I love the set up for this ep. The only thing i think is missing is some more friend scenes. Sam and tucker dont seem to be getting much screen time. Im MM when danny started sinking into the floor and sam and tucker picked him. I think little things like that say alot about them, so maybe the writer could stick those kinda things in their scenes. stuff like: danny goes *insert body part here* invisible, sam/tucker steps over infront of him to hide the fact that he is missing a limb. If danny has problems with floating sam/tucker could keeping pushing him back down when he starts to float. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:32 pm ] |
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Anything about becoming a hero or the half-ghost savior of Amity Park should be avoided. Rather, Danny coming to relative terms that his powers aren't going away, that he's different, and that it has to be kept secret, should be included. This can be handled lightly, in a conversation between he and his friends, with a joke from Tucker rounded the whole thing full circle. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:51 pm ] |
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We know Kismet really means it, because she said it three times. My "think outside the box" muse just whispered in my ear. Given the history of occasionally letting the denouement focus on a neglected character from earlier in the episode (like Lancer at the end of Control Freaks or Klemper at the end of Fanning the Flames, how about letting Danny, Sam and Tucker have their solemn bonding moment at the end of the penultimate scene and then cut to Vlad, at home in Wisconsin, watching the interview with Jack and Maddie on his television? He doesn't have to say anything, he only has to watch and glower. Okay, I know it's from way out in left field. Sorry about that, sometimes my brain works that way. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:51 pm ] |
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Genius! Plus that leaves a nice little foreshadowing/cliffhanger for Bitter Reunions, especially if Vlad is in ghost form in the teaser, and human form in the denouement; maybe with that college photo somewhere in the background. (Or that could be when he rips Jack off the photo so it matches the torn one shown in BR) |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:06 am ] |
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LOVE the idea of leaving a sour Vlad at the end to foreshadow to future events. I've used a similar event that way back in my first DP fanfic, so of course, I find going back to that simply amazing! And if we had a bit that led into that... Like: Danny: "I wonder how my parents didn't realize that the portal was off when they turned it on? Youd think they'd have checked." Tucker: "Well, so they made a mistake. Whatever. All things considered, I'd say things worked out pretty well for everyone, even if you have freaky ghost powers." Danny: *glares as scene pans over distances to a location in Wisconsin* Vlad: SJKHDLHAKVHAL; Not exactly like that, but you get my point. I'm nearly complete with 1a, with two gaps and room for more. Blue, you don't mind if I drift slightly into Scene 2 by having Sam enter before the Fentons to see Danny normal, do you? The Fentons entering can take place immediately after. Is Fury up to taking Scene 2? |
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| Author: | KnitChick [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:56 am ] |
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Phew!!! Y'all talked alot while I was offline!!! Sorry, I actually turned my computer off for nearly three full days. Amazing innit? I am willing to work on whatever scene y'all hand me. I'm starting to go a little crosseyed here being that I'm so dang tired so I don't have the mental capacity to really process Blue's oh-so-excellent outline and say what I think I'd do well at. Um...I'm good at technobabble I probably won't have a chance or the energy/mental capacity to write anything til Thurs or Friday most likely. It's inventory week at work (Wed is THE day) and that's another part of why I have been kinda AWOL. But after the 23rd it's over (phew!) and I can get back to FUN stuff!!! But for now...I really gotta get off the computer and get some sleep seeing as I have to be at work in less than 7 hours. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:51 pm ] |
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Blue, I was just thinking the same thing! Good thing I didn't just jump down to respond before reading the ones in between... But seriously, I thought showing Vlad in the final scene would make the episode almost come full circle since he was shown in the beginning, and as you said it also uses the trend that it usually involves characters not involved in the main plot. But it would have that foreshadowing feel that we were thinking of going for as well. I think it would be a great way to end it, especially using Kismet's lead in. And after the pan in we could have Vlad all pissed that his plan didn't go as well as he wished but then of course doing the Vlad thing and convincing himself that he'd make it turn out all right in the end. Insert him sending the ectopusses to take care of Jack and provide the lead-in to MM. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:06 pm ] |
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When my scene is ready, where should I post it? Here, in a different thread, or just send it to Blue? |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:09 pm ] |
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Now I'm trying to recall the details of the Vlad teaser scene and rereading the old posts gives nothing but confusion. What were the things we weren't supposed to reveal in regards to Vlad so that it wouldn't ruin the Bitter Reunions revelation? Am I allowed to imply that he's a ghost without necessarily saying his name? |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:32 pm ] |
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I think what wa ssupposed to happen was there were press and the whole family in the lab waiting for the Fentons to finally activate their Ghost Portal... when the intangible Vlad Plasmius slips into the inner workings of the Portal and turns it off right before Jack flips the switch. Thus, disappointment. Am I wrong? |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:59 pm ] |
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No you're right, I just remember there being concern about not spoiling the revelations present in Bitter Reunions by revealing too much about Vlad in this initial scene. So the way I'm doing it at least is that I'm describing his motives and having him use his powers, but I'm just going to conveniently not mention his name so that can all be revealed later in BR. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:51 am ] |
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Whoops, sorry for not responding sooner- I can tackle Act I, Scene 2. Just.... probably later this week. This dogsitting thing has destroyed my free time/writing groove for the moment ^^; |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Catching up.... Knitchick, I had wondered where you had disappeared to. Sorry you didn't get a scene to write this time around, unless you'd like to try your hand at 1B (Sam goes upstairs to get help). But feel free to wait for the next round. Kismet, I never even thought about where we should assemble the pieces once they are written. (And you're done already? What kind of stimulants are you taking?) Posting them here would be convenient for commentary, harmonizing and editing. On the other hand, it could get out of hand: the old saw about too many cooks comes to mind. Any of the editor-types want to weigh in on the question? Darth-Frodo, you're on the right track about Vlad. We assume that the reader/viewer already knows who he is (because this is a flashback rather than a pilot) but at the same time, we don't want to develop his character very far. He won't actually see Jack and Maddie until Bitter Reunions, though we can assume that the impetus for his plans to host a college reunion weekend started with these events. I'm glad (and a little surprised) at how well the Vlad-denouement is catching on. Are we agreed, then? The "I learned a lesson" conversation comes at the end of the penultimate scene, followed by a brief glimpse of Vlad alone in Wisconsin, watching the tail end of the TV interview with Jack and Maddie while clutching that old college photo? I don't think I'd actually want to have him tear the photo yet-- I get the impression that was a spontaneous action to provide a visual clue to the vultures. Firefury, thanks for agreeing to take on scene 2. I have a feeling you could easily handle the medical technobabble. Although you don't need to be realistic or accurate any more than the show was in such episodes as Doctors Disorders and Masters of all Time. However, I have a personal favor to ask of you. I'm working on scene 1B and to my surprise, that darned TV crew is still in the house. (I hate it when that happens while I'm writing. Don't these characters know I'm supposed to be in charge of the story?) Anyway, if I let them stay, do you think you could find a way to get rid of them in your scene? I think it would work to let them see that the Portal is active and that Danny got hurt, to set up the additional media attention down the road, but they're going to get in the way pretty soon. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:00 am ] |
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I think I can work them out in scene 2... Maddie is fiercely protective of her kids, after all. As soon as she finds out Danny's hurt, I can picture her throwing the media folks right out the door. (Which also helps keep a lid on information about Danny and what happened to him. For all they might know, Danny just fell down the stairs or something.) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:24 am ] |
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Yeah, I can see Maddie totally kicking them out ^^ She's protective and private like that XD And I've finished too, though I can flesh it out a bit if necessary. I didn't know how long it needed to be due to the fact that mine's just the teaser but it's two pages and I can easily cut it back too, whatever. Or I can just leave it be and let the editors have at it *evillaugh* Anywho, I think putting it here would get a little too crowded since this is like the huge think tank. Hmm...the only thing I can really think of is opening another thread to post them in, that way everyone can comment and read it easily, though by the time all the scenes for a given act are up it'll be really crowded and disorganized with critiques and comments on each one so...I really don't know. |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:07 am ] |
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Might I suggest a series of threads? One for each scene, and then a thread for stringing them together into a complete story? Alternatively, we could make a sub-forum in here for each episode to keep things organized |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:21 am ] |
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Sounds good to me if you can get it to work XD (It's kinda what I was hoping for...>.>) |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Firefury Amahira @ Mon 21 Jan, 00:07 wrote: Might I suggest a series of threads? One for each scene, and then a thread for stringing them together into a complete story? Alternatively, we could make a sub-forum in here for each episode to keep things organized
Once episodes are complete, we would move threads of individual scenes and discussions into an Archive forum, and the complete written episodes into the REMIX forum? Also, when the time comes, a Pinned thread for easy-finds of episodes and other important discussion points. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:15 pm ] |
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Queesling. Okay, There is the Teaser... and then there is my scene. The Teaser happens, then Memory Blank happens, then Scene 1 happens. I'm wondering if Frodo and I should arrange for some kind of transition to bridge her scene that sets up for Memory Blank and my scene that takes place afterwards? The jump in tone is extremely severe. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
hmm how bout at the end of the teaser we have danny walking into the lab, or staring at the portal or something |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:26 pm ] |
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Something subtle like that, but connecting the two scenes together, would definitely be ideal. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:29 pm ] |
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I was actually kinda thinking, and I know this would be a big adjustment, but what if we actually wrote out the Memory Blank/intro credits scene? I mean, if we're using this as like the Episode 0 thing then it would be the equivalent of the pilot episode in my eyes and in most of the pilots I've watched they don't really have the opening credits in them. So my thought was to actually insert another scene after the teaser and before the official Scene 1 where we cover Danny going into the portal at Sam's urging. We could start it with the three friends still in the basement, because it would have made sense for them to be there when the portal was being turned on, and then Sam could urge Danny to take a look inside and then boom, accident. It would certainly make a good transition between Kismet's scene and mine as well as providing that initial clarity. Also, didn't we still need an idea for an Act I scene? If we insert this and shift all the scenes down that would cover the scene... |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:41 pm ] |
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What would be totally awesome (but unfortunately, uncanonical) would be for Danny to enter the scene in the exact manner that it flows perfectly into the "Yo, Danny Fenton, he was just fourteen," moment in the credits. For that, I would even be willing to sacrifice the 10-second bass guitar riff at the beginning of the theme song. I like Imperfect's idea of bringing Danny (and possibly Sam and Tucker) into the scene and then just ending it there. Maybe Sam could say, "You know, Danny...." and give him a knowing nudge. Despite the "episode zero" label, I don't want to make this like a pilot episode-- more like a flashback. A pilot episode would require introducing all the characters as though the viewer had never seen them before. We're assuming, for example, that the viewer knows who Vlad is--either by description in the text or by his image in the accompanying illustration. I also want to allow the viewers' memory of the opening credits and of Memory Blank to fill in all the blanks were leaving. So the teaser should take us as close to the Memory Blank scene as is practical, and the next scene picks up immediately after. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:57 pm ] |
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So.... okay, in my mind, it looks like an episode right now. The group of reporters, scientists, and funding people all leave, Jack Fenton highly disappointed. Sam and Tucker remain, appearing randomly from within the crowd, and see that Danny looks pretty embarrassed and/or saddened by the outcomes. All the hype and his dad just looks like an idiot again. In an effort to somehow cheer him up, Sam gives Danny that nudge and they look mischeviously toward the portal... and credits start. But as it's Episode 0, I almost don't want the theme song to be included. Or we could maybe have a short roll-credits piece, with allusions to it, but not the origins story. It seems extremely redundant. Then when whatever we use for the opening credits passes -- WE NEED ONE OF THOSE TITLE FRAMES FOR EVERY EPISODE INCLUDING THIS ONE *suddenly thought that* So Artists have something to DO! ** -- We have Danny in the portal, screaming his brains out. ** - Uh, if we do have one of those, we need to think of a name for this besides Origins or Episode 0. Not immediately, but by the time production is over... |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:22 pm ] |
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Just a note -- I editted the first post to include the current scene assignments and the plot outline. I think that we could completely eliminate a need for the empty I.vii slot easily -- as long as we make the scene before it include a certain level of both panic, awe, amusement, and finally a need to tell their parents, it can flow easily into the next scene, which I think would be more effective if we had all three of them walk in (the other two can be on their way out?) when Jack begins his declaration. As for what to fill into the empty void after the commercial break -- remember Danny, Sam, and Tucker's explanations of total apathy at the beginning of Mystery Meat? Sam, of course, thinks his powers are cool, but the notion of ghosts bores her thoroughly. She obviously doesn't see them as much of a threat OR an interest beyond the fact that Danny happens to have ghost powers. And they can all be impressed that Danny's dad was right, since up until this point there was NO evidence that ghosts really did exist. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Kismet @ Thu 24 Jan, 23:04 wrote: Firefury Amahira @ Mon 21 Jan, 00:07 wrote: Might I suggest a series of threads? One for each scene, and then a thread for stringing them together into a complete story? Alternatively, we could make a sub-forum in here for each episode to keep things organized
Once episodes are complete, we would move threads of individual scenes and discussions into an Archive forum, and the complete written episodes into the REMIX forum? Also, when the time comes, a Pinned thread for easy-finds of episodes and other important discussion points. Once everything is completed I'll be making copies of everything and posting it to the DA account. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Quote: The jump in tone is extremely severe.
Yes, Kismet, I agree. We need to even out the tones and make it sound like only one person has written the episode. And I'm supportive of the bridging scene if we choose to go there. However, I just want to point something out: creating an even writing tone is part of the editors' job, and will likely get easier once we've got a few scenes to work with. Anything the writers can do to get a consistent style would be awesome, though, but I suspect that'll be easier once we've finished with Origins. The "style" of the writing should be clear by then. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:17 am ] |
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Alright, then we'll leave it up to you =P But I'm sure we'll figure out a similar writing style once we all get used to a) the way we all write and b) the general feel we're trying to accomplish for each of the scenes. But I think something like transitions can be helped along by the writers. That being said, should I add more to the end of my scene? Like having the trio walk over to the portal and transition between the moods through their dialog and actions? Or do we just want to include that in the whole opening scene thing that we didn't really distribute to anyone. Which brings up another good point...how are we doing the opening credits scene? Or are we just completely leaving that for the art crew? |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:40 am ] |
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I know we've covered a scene to explain why Danny is keeping the whole half-ghost thing from his parents, but I think it would be good to also address why Danny is keeping this from Jazz at this point. I can understand why Danny might be concerned about his 'dissect 'em all' parents (although, wasn't he unconscious in the lab when that scene occurred?) But why not go to Jazz? Unsorted thoughts Possibly because Danny would be afraid Jazz would go to their parents to report any such confessions. Jazz pretty emphatically doesn't believe in ghosts at this point (although part of that might be typical teen exasperation with parental concerns, which actually, is my pet theory for a lot of Jazz's contrariness early on, and her pop-psych-babble - The educated teens self-justifying rebellion (a) It'd be quite difficult to discuss this with her, as Danny can't perform on cue yet. Insistence on ghosts or ghostly powers or a half-ghost nature while lacking any corroborating evidence would lead Jazz, quite logically, to conclude that Danny had some kind of mental/emotional aberration either from the trauma of the near-death experience, or from a head injury at the time. (b) And if Danny did some how manage to show Jazz some actual evidence, she'd freak: Remember her reaction when she thought she might be wrong, in "Prisoners of Love"? In either case, Jazz would almost certainly end up reporting this back to their parents, which, since Danny has decided to hide this from them, at least for the time being, would therefore tend to contraindicate going to Jazz at this time. And having talked myself into believing that load of hand waving post-hoc justification, I think it could be succinctly summed up IC in a line or two. Something like (and please forgive my mediocre dialog skills): Tucker: "Okay, so your parents are out. What about Jazz?" Danny: "Are you nuts? This stuff just comes and goes; I don't have any control. And if I can't show her something, she'd think I was nuts or brain damaged or something. And if I could prove I'm a ghost or whatever, she'd spazz completely!" Edit: Sam: "You have to tell them eventually; I mean how long to you really think you could keep something like this a secret?" Danny: "I know, I know! I'll tell them. Just, I need a little time is all. I have to figure out the right way to break it... Guys, you have to promise you won't tell anyone, no matter what." Tucker: "Okay, man, if that's the way you want to play it." Sam: "We're your friends. That means we keep your secrets." Felt incomplete. As far as I can remember, this echoes or parallels similar conversations they had early in the first season. Plus the in joke, because we all know just how long he does end up keeping it a secret, and how easily. And a nod to "My Brother's Keeper", which was a great episode on several levels docarol |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:58 am ] |
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Two possible approaches: 1. Danny doesn't know what's happening to him, thinks he may be losing his mind. (That is, the momentary invisibility in the bathroom may have been a hallucination.) The last thing he'd want to do is confide in his bossy, overprotective sister. 2. Danny does tell her, or at least tries to, but she doesn't really listen. She misses half of what he says ("I think I may be losing my mind, but something weird just happened....") and jumps to the wrong conclusion, assuming that he needs psychiatric help. I think the second approach offers more opportunities for humor, but it would be a challenge to keep the dialogue believable. It could even be a running gag through the episode. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
personally, I think that the second one has a more DP feel to it and it fits in with jazz taking danny to see a shrink later. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:29 am ] |
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Jazz doesn't often listen to people int he beginning of the series. That's a skill she develops simutaneously with the acceptance of her parents. So Danny trying to communicate in apanicked way and Jazz not understanding could be pulled off. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:07 am ] |
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And plus, Jazz is a psychologist, or a wannabe psychologist at any rate. She's automatically going to look for the psychological reasons to everything just because that's what she's interested in and what takes up her thoughts. I mean, she even does case studies on her parents for crying out loud. If Danny starts talking about losing his mind and seeing weird things she's going to automatically interpret it as being a psychological disorder and hallucination instead of thinking in supernatural terms because that's just not who she is or the way she thinks. So I think it would make a lot of character sense as well as fitting in with the flavor of DP episodes. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Refocusing.... We have drafts for the teaser, scenes 1 and 3. This is some material for Kali to get her editor's hands on, and maybe even for the artists to start making pictures of, so maybe we can move on. I can think of three approaches: 1. Move on to the next batch of scenes in Act I. 2. Start Act II. 3. Do the end of Act II next. I have a personal preference for writing the end of a story very early in the process, which gives me a clear destination to write towards. But that may be just me. An advantage to working on options 2 or 3 is that it would give the (as yet unnamed) editor for Act II an opportunity to get working on the story, whereas if we continue in chronological order the second editor wouldn't be utilized for several more weeks at best. This isn't a democracy--I still reserve my right to be a controlling bitch--but I can't quite decide and I do value your input. Thoughts? |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:43 pm ] |
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I think either choices one or three would be best to do at this point... maybe even both simultaneously? At least until we're done fleshing things out. I think we have enough writers to hand out several scenes to, so that we might be able to get the scenes in at fairly regular intervals... |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:39 pm ] |
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I think both ideas have their merits. I do like what you said about having a goal and destination to strive towards by writing the end last, but I think we already have that goal by having a clear outline of what we want to happen. Then there's also the fact that with something this big and disjointed there might be some ease with keeping this in order and not trying to go back and fit the middle scenes into what we've already done. But on the other hand by fleshing out the details it might help bring the story together more since authors can include those details through common gags and foreshadowing and such. So really, I think both have merit. And in response to Kismet...how many authors do we have that are actually participating in this thread that we can utilize? |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Finally got the first draft of Act I, Scene ii posted |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Good to know! And I posted a draft of scene 1B as well, so we're well on the way. This weekend I'll get the next set of scenes out there for bidding. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Great! Because tomorrow I'm planning to compile all the scenes done so far and start working on them structurally. When I've got that done, should I post it in a new thread for all to see, or do we want to wait until the copyediting is done too? |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Starting Act II, four more scenes to hand out. Scene 1 On the way to school, Danny sees several ghosts doing minor mischief, as his ghost sense goes off again and again. Scene 2 At school, Danny brings Sam & Tucker up to speed about Jack's speech at dinner the night before, plus whatever further weird stuff happened overnight. Dash stuffs Danny into a locker, Danny can’t get out. Scene 3 At home, Maddie talks to a police officer about the neighbors’ complaints while Jack fields multiple requests for interviews. Scene 4 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:33 am ] |
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Alright, since I'm really no good at comedy...I'd really like to request Scene 2 (if we're allowed to request scenes when we've already done one for the first act >.>) But yeah, so if we're doing top couple again: 1. Scene 2 2. Scene 1 And really those are my only preferences since I don't think I'd be any good with the other two. But if you've got other people to do them, then that's totally fine too ^^ |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:53 pm ] |
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Hmm.... Scene 1 and 4 strike my fancy. I'm wary to chose Scene 2 when I don't know what happened during the speech (I know that editors and others would help flesh it out, but I worry all the same!) |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:29 am ] |
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Oh good, I'm glad to see that we've doubled the number of writers for the next round--from one to two. The enthusiasm level for this project seems to be waning. Actually, the person who writes scene two may have an influence on what is included in Jack's speech in Act I. I wouldn't want this scene to contain anything more than a sentence or two about the general gist of the speech and how it made Danny feel, but if he should actually quote from the speech, the person who later writes that speech would then have to incorporate that quotation into the scene. (With the two versions being harmonized by the editor, if necessary.) Of course, it's entirely possible that Danny's description of Jack's speech will be colored by his own not-necessarily-perfect memory. In other words, don't worry about it! |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
just thought of something we should add somewhere. Someone has to give danny his name, Danny Phantom. I cant remember if they actually called him that in MM but i think they do. He also should get his catch phrase "going ghost" (you know his superhero basics, super name, super phrase) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:13 am ] |
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That does present an interesting question as to where/when he gets his catch phrase and alter-ego name. I'm kinda thinking that he gets the catch phrase early, since it seems almost like a trigger to his transformation in the beginning, kinda like a way to help him concentrate on whatever he needs to do to go ghost. As for the name...I think that might come better later, like after he actually decides to go the whole superhero route. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Maybe we could use the name to show how he changes later on. Maybe have tucker/sam say, that he could be be a superhero now (whether joking or serious) and calls him danny phantom, but danny rejects it saying he just wants to be normal again and not use his powers. or something like that |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:56 pm ] |
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Ooh, I like that idea =D |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
A passing reference... yes. But let's not dwell on it. For example, somebody could say, "Danny, we can't exactly have you going ghost on us every five minutes." But not in terms of a battle cry, or even as a trigger for the transformation-- it's too early in the story arc for that. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:30 am ] |
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True, but I do like the minute reference to Danny being a superhero, probably just in jest, and then having Danny refute it by just wanting the powers to go away or just go back to pretending to be normal. It fits in nicely with the whole pre-MM situation while also providing Danny with a superhero name for when he finally decides to do it. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Hear, hear, I second that. A passing reference to one or both would be great if the writers could work it in. Good set-up for later, good in-jokes, good times… |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:07 am ] |
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lol It should be really simple to work in, especially during one of the last couple of scenes in Act II. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
yeah that sounds good to me, just a quick reference. Any thing more would take away from the current state danny is in. Hes not a superhero yet, hes just a scared kid who wants to be normal. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Okay. I've let this thing languish long enough. Kismet, if you're still interested, take scene #1. Darth-Frodo, take scene #2. I'll work on #3. We'll put off the big beaker scene for the time being. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
the enthusiam for this has really dropped. I f i was a better writer i'd help, but i terrible at writing, which i why i'll stick to my stronger points. Critique and art. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Sorry. I am working, slowly, on editing what we've got so far. I've just been busy with life. Hopefully the lull in the project is due to Life and will improve in a few weeks. I'm sure a lot of the uni-aged members have midterms right about now. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:49 pm ] |
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The lull in the project is probably also for the fact that Marmel hasn't joined in quite yet =\ I'm sure that he will eventually, but the momentum we started with has definitely faded. On it, Blue! =D |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:10 pm ] |
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Kismet @ Sat 08 Mar, 08:49 wrote: The lull in the project is probably also for the fact that Marmel hasn't joined in quite yet =\ I'm sure that he will eventually, but the momentum we started with has definitely faded.
On it, Blue! =D Yeah..which probably explains the lack of artists on my end. So far only two people aside from Feri and myself have said they're still interested in it. If no one else comes forward I'll have to divide the scenes you guys write between the four of us to storyboard and illustrate (possibly animate if we get that far). |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:16 am ] |
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I'll totally get on it ASAP! I just finished my midterms so I've got the time now, but I know the other two state universities here have midterms next week, so that could explain a lot. Like Kali said, life's just getting in the way for most people right now =( |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
um where has everyone gone? No ones posting anything anymore. did the enthusiasm die so much that we are giving up? |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:26 pm ] |
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I really hope not. I love this project and all that it's doing. I'll admit that I haven't had much time to work on my assigned scene and I assume that's what's happening to everyone else. That's probably what's got the hold up right now. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:48 pm ] |
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It's chugging along slowly. Guys, I know life gets in the way, but even a quick mockup of a scene would be helpful. I sat down a few weeks ago for five minutes and chugged one out without really stopping to think... anything that could be altered WILL be picked up by the editors and fellow writers, rest assured ^_~ So any time you can contribute would be massively helpful. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:13 pm ] |
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Kismet @ Fri 04 Apr, 08:48 wrote: It's chugging along slowly.
Guys, I know life gets in the way, but even a quick mockup of a scene would be helpful. I sat down a few weeks ago for five minutes and chugged one out without really stopping to think... anything that could be altered WILL be picked up by the editors and fellow writers, rest assured ^_~ So any time you can contribute would be massively helpful. Are some of us going to have to double up on jobs if only a few of us are actually still working on the project? I'd pitch in on some writing but I'm not sure how good my writing is. |
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| Author: | Kismet [ Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:05 am ] |
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Eh, I dunno about working in both writing AND art... I'm willing to adopt another scene if it's necessary, or work with someone else. If you'd like to try out a scene, Goku-san, by all means go for it! But don't feel compelled to if you're not comfortable with it. |
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| Author: | Asatira [ Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I'm simply waiting to get my assignment as an artist. |
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| Author: | vaporeone [ Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:13 am ] |
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I can help out by throwing suggestions, comments, notes, etc.... I'm willing to do a scene or two I guess... I'd really like to throw in some ideas for Act II, scene vi (whichever scene had Jazz driving Danny home) if not write it myself... I can switch between artist and writer if you're lacking people... I actually enjoy storyboarding... I can animate, but I don't know if we'll get as far as that yet. I've got a few suggestions, but I think I'll talk about the most important ones you guys might want to hear... When I read over the outline for Acts I and II, I saw that Act II was missing scenes i-iii... My idea... maybe give Danny a dream sequence? We know that he's pretty darn afraid of ghosts, maybe turning into one is going to haunt his dreams? Yes, forgive me for the pun, but the "haunt" was necessary. Another random idea that I juggled around with Goku-san... Although it might conflict with an idea I posted in Act I, Scene iii, but maybe we should introduce the reason why Dash started picking on Danny in the first place? Maybe he had one of his mishaps involve Dash? (I haven't skimmed through the entire thread yet, so forgive me if someone's already suggested these) |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:29 am ] |
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I don't know about everyone else, but I had always seen the trouble with Dash something that had been long in the making. It looked like a rivalry that had been set up in junior high or maybe even elementary school depending on how soon Dash assumed his bullying role. It just seemed to severe a hatred and too regular a punishment for it to have been newly formed, but that was just always my opinion *shrug* |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:07 pm ] |
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Is everything that has been written so far in their final form? If so I can start uploading the written stuff onto the DA account. |
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| Author: | docarrol [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:55 am ] |
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My personal vote, unless someone has a serious objection, would be to start posting now, maybe generate some additional interest/enthusiasm both here and in the larger fandom outside DPOC. Then, if any major changes do come up later, we can always release the revised work as v1.0. ('Course I'm not actually one of the authors, so it's not my work going up in front of the eyes of the world. If it were, I doubt I'd be so cavalier about rushing things docarrol |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Thu May 08, 2008 7:10 am ] |
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I know the stuff that was posted is going through editing, so I don't know how that's going or not. But I agree with docarrol, we should start posting and having more discussions to generate interest in this again. It's kinda sad to see that it's gone by the wayside. |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Mon May 12, 2008 8:21 am ] |
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Darth-Frodo @ Thu 08 May, 01:10 wrote: I know the stuff that was posted is going through editing, so I don't know how that's going or not. But I agree with docarrol, we should start posting and having more discussions to generate interest in this again. It's kinda sad to see that it's gone by the wayside.
When someone here gives the A-ok I'll start formatting them for DA and post it. |
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| Author: | Kali Phantom [ Sat May 17, 2008 6:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Gyah! *is massively embarrassed* I … haven't really done more than precursory editing. I've gotten sidetracked with life, and novel. If anyone else wants to take up the bulk of the editing work, they are more than welcome to do so. I even have a document compiling all the first act scenes, if they want it… |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Sun May 18, 2008 9:07 am ] |
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With the way things are going it honestly feels like the project is going to fall through due to the lack of interest. :/ |
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| Author: | Asatira [ Sun May 18, 2008 4:40 pm ] |
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I'm simply waiting for things to be together enough for the artists to really get involved. |
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| Author: | Draconorn [ Mon May 19, 2008 8:19 am ] |
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Tell me what to draw and I'll draw it. I don't really know what to do O_o; |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Mon May 19, 2008 8:48 am ] |
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Asatira @ Sun 18 May, 10:40 wrote: I'm simply waiting for things to be together enough for the artists to really get involved.
Which is why what is written so far needs to be finalized before any art is drawn. Although, I'm taking a hiatus from the DPOC. I need to finish what little commission work I have first and well the lack of interest lately is making it pointless to post here. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed May 21, 2008 2:40 am ] |
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I feel a whole boatload of guilty about not doing a better job maintaining the focus and momentum on this project. [hangs head in shame] I'm willing to give it another try if you all are; please post here if you are still on-board for writing some more scenes. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Wed May 21, 2008 9:48 am ] |
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I'm on board. I feel bad that I haven't gotten the scene finished that I already have assigned for me, but I'm hoping that as soon as I secure a job for the summer I'll have a more regular schedule, that and after this Saturday my best friend is going off to work at a summer camp where she won't have internet, so we've been online constantly with each other in the hopes of surviving the time apart >.< But after that I should have a lot of free time for getting that scene finished. But yes, I am still totally interested =D |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Thu May 22, 2008 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I've got finals next week, and then a house cleaning frenzy leading up to my Grandma visiting at the beginning of July, but after finals I should be able to devote more time to fan stuffs again! |
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| Author: | Mabaroshiwoou [ Thu May 22, 2008 10:43 pm ] |
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I don't think it's any one person's fault. We all kinda drifted, here. But I'm still up for it! |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:54 am ] |
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If nothing happens soon, I may just drop out of the project all together...Focus on my comic and my own art. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Goku-san, of course you should pursue whatever interests are calling you! I guess the the question is whether you would even consider returning to the project sometime in the future if something should happen. But if you need a completed, fully-edited story in order to do any artwork at all, then I fear you will be disappointed. Somehow, I doubt it will ever happen. Y'all feel free to blame me. [hangs head in shame] |
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| Author: | Firefury Amahira [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
It's not anybody's fault- I fear the project is mostly a victim of the fandom shrinkage. With no new canon material, most of us fans are getting into other stuff, relegating DP to the back burner or less active fannish stuff. I think the project isn't going to drop completely- it'll just be going very... VERY slowly ^^; |
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| Author: | Goku-san [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:42 am ] |
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It's not that I don't have a lack of interest in DP..But what is the point of spending 6 hours doing art for a project that looks like it's going nowhere? If in the event the project does actually go somewhere, then yes maybe I will return to work on it. But for now..I'm not going to waste my time for nothing. I do that enough as is. |
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| Author: | Asatira [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:35 pm ] |
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Alert me when you guys get something concrete that I can help illustrate. That's all I've got to say. |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
ok guys seriously are we going to do this? If alot of the writers are to busy I will help with the writing. im not that great a writer, but even my bad writing has to be better then leting this die. just tell me what needs to be done |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Okay.... Let’s try this over again. I put the first four scenes of Act II up for bidding back in February, but only Kismet managed a draft. So these three are up for bids again, anybody’s welcome to give them a try. Or, we can discuss them anew. I’ll also post an outline of the whole story for those joining us more recently. Kismet, if you’re out there, do you mind if I do a re-write on your draft of Act II, Scene 1? Up for Grabs: Act II, Scene 2 At school, Danny brings Sam & Tucker up to speed about Jack's speech at dinner the night before, plus whatever further weird stuff happened overnight. Dash stuffs Danny into a locker, Danny can’t get out. Act II, Scene 3 At home, Maddie talks to a police officer about the neighbors’ complaints while Jack fields multiple requests for interviews. Act II, Scene 4 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... Here’s the outline of the complete episode, from my notes. It’s been a few months, so please feel free to correct me if I’ve missed anything. Completed scenes are in italics. #### Teaser: Vlad sabotages the public debut of the Fenton Ghost Portal. Opening Credits Act I, Scene 1a – Immediate aftermath of the accident, still in the lab. Scene 1b Meanwhile, upstairs, Jack and Maddie try to mollify their financial backer. Tucker or Sam come up to alert them to the accident. Scene 2 Jack and Maddie determine that Danny may have some sort of contamination, take him upstairs to the Ops Center to be examined. Scene 3a The next morning, a neighbor just misses seeing a ghost destroy her flower garden. Scene 3b Danny discovers that he’s invisible as he doesn’t see himself in the bathroom mirror. He barely avoids being discovered by Jazz. Scene 4 Downstairs in the kitchen, Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who learned about the Portal from the morning news. In addition to the damaged garden, we learn about several other minor ghost problems. Scenes 5: Danny, Sam and Tucker see a ghost (the Box Ghost) for the very first time. He doesn’t yet make the connection between the blue breath and the arrival of the ghost. Danny transforms again, back and forth, and resolves to ask his parents about what is happening to him at dinner that night. Scene 6: Danny waits for his opportunity to bring up the subject at the dinner table, but Jack makes a speech about how much he wants to dissect a ghost, scaring Danny into silence. (Possible distraction of Danny struggling not to float away from the table while Jack is speaking.) Commercial Break Act II, Scene 1 On the way to school, Danny sees several ghosts doing minor mischief, as his ghost sense goes off again and again. Scene 2 At school, Danny brings Sam & Tucker up to speed w/ exposition, Dash stuffs Danny into a locker. Danny can’t get out. Scene 3 At home, Maddie talks to a police officer about the neighbors’ complaints while Jack fields multiple requests for interviews. Scene 4 34 beakers are left in the lab, 34 beakers in the lab; if Danny goes intangible and drops one down, 33 beakers are left in the lab.... Scene 5 Parent-teacher conference (Jack and Maddie with science teacher). Danny watches the cuts on his hands heal before his eyes. Jazz eavesdrops in the hallway, perhaps on her way out of the library with psych books. Scene 6 Jack and Maddie can’t take Danny home, they have to head to the TV station. Jazz offers to take Danny home, but takes him to a psych clinic instead. They argue in the car, while Danny has intermittent invisibility problems— which ultimately get Danny stranded outside the clinic. Scene 7 While walking home, Danny calls Sam & Tucker and arranges to meet them. Then he is attacked by Dash, accidentally escapes by floating. Eventually transforms in mid-air and takes first tentative flight. Scene 8a: Jack and Maddie’s TV interview. Continues as voice-over for attack scene. Scene 8b: Danny is attacked by a ghost weasel and eventually is thrown to the ground, where he transforms back to human. The weasel loses interest and flies away. Sam and Tucker find Danny where he fell. Denouement: Do we need one? Most DP episodes end with some sort of lighthearted/funny moment. |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:14 am ] |
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Well, I don't know if this one's up for grabs, but I'd be interested in writing Act I, Scene 6. I kinda think that one's a bit necessary to write before writing Act II, Scene 2 since Danny talks to Sam and Tucker about the dinner conversation that happens in Act I, Scene 6...>.> That's the trouble I was finding when I chose to write II-2, since I started it but really couldn't figure out what to write because I didn't know the details that were going to happen in I-6. So, if I could, I'd like to request I-6 since I kinda had some thoughts about it from thinking about writing II-2. Now just a warning, I'm soon going to be without internet until the end of August, but I'll have my computer with me so I can still write, I just won't be able to put it up until I get back =D |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Tell you what, Darth-- would you be willing to do both? |
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| Author: | Darth-Frodo [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:30 am ] |
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lol, I was actually planning on asking for the other one at a later time so yeah, I'd be willing ^^ |
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| Author: | imperfect [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
hmm ican try to do Act II, Scene 4 . did we discuss any plans for that scene other then beakers breaking? |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:03 am ] |
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Oh hell, there was a huge discussion about it...somewhere back there. Maybe up-thread, or maybe in another thread. It's out there. What is necessary is that the scene sets up the parent-teacher conference in scene 5 and also Lancer's mention of the beaker incident in Mystery Meat. The accident would have to be caused by one or more intangibility moments, though there could be other contributing factors (Dash being a bully, Paulina being a flirt, Tucker or Sam trying too hard to help cover up Danny's problem, etc.) Good luck! |
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| Author: | MoonlightUmbreon [ Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:32 pm ] |
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Blue told me that I'd be welcome to join in if I wanted to, so, here I am. ^^ I'll take pretty much any part you guys think it would be alright for me to take. Thanks for letting me take part. =) Always wanted to do something like this - I never thought I'd ever get the chance to do it. |
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| Author: | Nefarious [ Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Same here, I'll try to do my best. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Moonlight & Nefarious, I'd like to give you two scenes to choose from. One of them is the only scene left in Act I, which is Scene 4: "Scene 4 Downstairs in the kitchen, Maddie and Jack fend off angry neighbors who learned about the Portal from the morning news. In addition to the damaged garden, we learn about several other minor ghost problems." This scene appears immediately after the scene in which Danny has a panic attack when he can't see himself in the bathroom mirror. You'd have to refer back to Act I Scene 3 for both that and the lady whose garden got dug up by the ghost. Although it's not included in the short description of the scene, I think it could be useful to incorporate some sort of very brief visit from Danny on the back end of his panic attack, but to have Jack and Maddie brush him off with some sort of "Not right now, honey, we're busy" response. That said, it's important to accept that this scene is part of the "B" plot. It's about how distracted Danny's parents are by the chaos surrounding the new portal. By "fend off" I don't exactly mean a physical assault on the house, but there should be several unique characters in the scene and lots of fast dialogue. The other scene is Act II, Scene 5, which is a little more complicated. "Parent-teacher conference (Jack and Maddie with science teacher). Danny watches the cuts on his hands heal before his eyes. Jazz eavesdrops in the hallway, perhaps on her way out of the library with psych books." This scene comes immediately after the scene in which Danny's new powers cause a chain-reaction disaster in the science lab. You shouldn't try to rehash the action in that scene, which is being written by somebody else, but you should establish the fact that Jack & Maddie are having to take time away from their incredibly hectic day for this conference, that Danny is still stressed out, upset, and horrified/fascinated at the way his body heals itself. You guys up to it? |
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| Author: | MoonlightUmbreon [ Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:22 pm ] |
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I think I should be able to handle the first one, but if Nefarious wants the first scene, I'll try my hand at the second one, even if it's going to be a bit harder. |
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| Author: | Nefarious [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
I'll take the second one, it's fine. Just tell me if something should be changed or I have the wrong idea. |
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| Author: | Bluemoonalto [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Origins Writing Stage |
Okay you two, just start up a new topic in this subforum when you're ready to post your draft. If you need a beta I'm willing to serve. I look forward to seeing your efforts! |
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| Author: | phantomluver [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:47 pm ] |
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Which Act number is my part again? |
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| Author: | Nefarious [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:24 am ] |
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Okay, I have a few suggestions. To me, the Dash scene seems a little odd. If Danny hadn't flown before, I don't think he'd accidently take off from the ground. What if the chase ended up someplace high, and Danny fell off? His fear could spark a transformation, and then start him flying, maybe something like in Superman Returns. Of course, it would have to end in a place Dash couldn't get to, maybe phasing through a locked door. And the Ghost Weasal could knock him off and then he'd fly. Just a thought. |
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